Michael-5 said:
Captain_Tom said:
That I agree with this.
So we can agree that PS4 is about 9x as powerful as the PS3?
Also that explains the CPU situation, I said before how big the jump was, I only said it probably wan't too large considering it's a Laptop CPU in the PS4. So the jump is what 5x (You said the new CPU is comparable to a Quad core-4.0GHz, PS3 had a 3.2Ghz single core). Still my arguement is that the CPU's performance won't make the PS4 more then 9x more powerful, if anything it would bring it down a bit.
Hey, man, if you read my posts, I never once contested anything you said. I'm only trying to explain to CGI-Quality that if the GPU performance is 9x PS3's power. all all the other jumps are 9x or less, then the PS4 is not going to be more 9x as powerful (I was arguing 6-9x because of other slower, but I'm not too computer oriented, so I won't argue 9x). You seem to agree on me with this.
So what's with the negative attitude?
Do you think it's about 9x as powerful, or slightly less? or slightly more?
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-Let me just do the bloody math:
-16x the RAM
-The RAM is at least 3x faster
-90nm CPU -> 28nm = 3.2x the room for more transistors (What makes up CPU's)
--90nm GPU -> 28nm = 3.2x the room for more transistors (What makes up GPU's Core)
-8 cores instead of 6 (Useable for gaming).
-The PS4 CPU has 8 full cores instead of 1 core + 5 SPE's.
-The CPU speed will probably be at around 1.8 GHz instead of 3.2 GHz
So how you put a total number on that is beyond me, but look at it this way:
-The PS4's GPU can calculate 2176 GFLOPS to the PS3's 176. That is 12.4x the power alone!
With everything else, it is very fair to say the PS4 is AT LEAST 10-15 times stronger than the PS3.
Now just accept it! Otherwise I can break down how the Wii U is no stronger than the PS3...
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Problem is you're math is bad.
PS3 is 230.4 GFLOPS, so assuming your PS4 GFLOPS value is correct, then the jump is 9.5x, however Sony hasn't released the GPU performance figures of the PS4, we only know that it's based on a graphics card which produces 1860 GFLOPS. So if we use those two figures, then the PS4 is only a 7x jump. However we know that the PS4 GPU will be slightly improved, so 9x is a good figure.
As for the CPU, I've shown this earlier, but the increase is 5x.
RAM Speed is about 3x greater, and RAM is 16x as much. However, except for RAM nothing is above 9x, and the most important factor is GPU power, and that's roughly 9x.
So like everyone else in this thread, except you, believe (CGI even changed his opinion, but won't admit that we has wrong one of the two times) the PS4 is about 8-10x as powerful as the PS3 (Some people think 8-9x, some thing 9-10x)
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This is why I don't even try. The ignorant are just that: ignorant.
I just don't get where you are seeing 9. Even if I follow your incorrect math you get:
9x gpu
5x cpu
16x ram
3x faster ram.
Why do you just pick the 9 out of those numbers?
-16x the ram means 16x the texture size/amount of data the CPU can read.
-5x the CPU means 5x the physics calculations/AI/amount of MP data that can be handled
-3x faster ram means 3x the graphics data that can be fead to the GPU.
If anything the PS4 is 9x3=27x more powerful graphically. Then the CPU will hopefully not hold it back (But just because it is "5x" doesn't mean it will).
At the end of the day 10-15x is a CONSERVATIVE estimate so we don't get our hopes up!
P.S. CGI didn't "Admit he is wrong," he simply gives up trying to explain things to someone who just isn't educated enough on the matter to understand. I only kept responding in the hopes that onlookers will at least get to see the light so they can choose to ignore your swill. Having said that I am done with you. Believe what you want, but you are clearly not an Engineer, Mathmatician, or Computer Science guy (Although you only need a high school education and the ability to LOOK SHIT UP ON YOUR OWN to understand what we were saying).
