NVIDIA: PS4 GPU 3x less powerful than Titan, but more powerful than Xbox 720

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BlueFalcon said:

Titan is not 3x faster than the GPU in PS4. 1152 SPs @ 800mhz with 176GB/sec memory bandwidth is faster than HD7850 2GB.

Titan is roughly 2x faster than HD7850 @ 1080P:

But hey, what can we expect from the same company that thinks charging a $600 price premium for 30% more performance over HD7970Ghz is reasonable...

I guess NV didn't get the memo that the console has 8GB of GDDR5 and when developers code directly to the metal they extract exponential gains in efficiency/performance. I want to see a $1,000 Titan deliver playable gaming performance in a next gen 2017-2018 game that PS4 will deliver (i.e., Uncharted 5, etc.).

Typical NV's PR for investors. I guess when your $1,000 GPU gets its ass kicked in a 2013 game like Crysis 3 (http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2013/test-nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan/17/), you have to start spinning after you lost designs wins for next gen consoles and all the big games like Bioshock Infinite, Far Cry 3, Tomb Raider and BF4 are Gaming Evolved titles.

Undoubtedly in due time, PS4 will have games that look better than Crysis 3 a $1,000 Titan will not play those games in 2017-2020 without choking considering it can barely get 43 fps at 1080P in 2013 Crysis 3.

You're forgetting one thing.
Titan is a new uArch.
Drivers are not mature.
Expect *massive* gains over the next year or so.

As for Ram.
PC's are built differently, you have orders of magnitude of memory speeds, which was by design to hide bandwidth and latency deficits.
Plus, the PC unlike the PS4 doesn't use system memory for the graphics frame buffer which takes a *massive* amount of memory space and bandwidth, instead that's shoved on the even faster-than-the-PS4's GDDR5 memory located right next to the Graphics processor.

In total, even the average PC has more memory than the PS4, a typical gaming machine has 8gb of System memory, which is usually just DDR3, which is fine, it's low latency.
Throw in a 2Gb GDDR5 equipped GPU and that's 10gb of ram right there.

Heck, compare a Phenom 2 x4 or X6 with DDR2 and DDR3 ram, you will see the actuall performance difference with double the ram clockspeed actually makes almost ZERO performance difference.
However, where it does make a difference is where the CPU and GPU are sharing the same memory pools, aka. Like AMD's "Fusion" or the PS4, this fact alone seems to alude allot of people as the scream "GDDR5!" without actually understanding the fundamentals of what and where such memory speeds would be beneficial, sure the PS4 has lots of memory bandwidth, but it's not all dedicated to graphics or to the CPU as *every* single component in the system will take a piece of that bandwidth, which is in stark contrast to the PC.

Face it, the PS4 has a low-end processor. - Any Quad-Core CPU in the PC space made within the last several years is faster.

Then it's paired up with only a single mid-range GPU, a 3-4 year old Radeon 5970 is faster, significantly so.
Pair it up with what is deemed "Lower-than-your-average-total-PC-memory-amount" and call it a day.