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kain_kusanagi said:
I always see a lot of people saying they want 60hz. But I can't tell the difference between 30hz and 60hz or even 120hz. So long as it's locked at a solid 30hz with no screen tearing I'm happy.


There is a difference. Especially for the controls. The input lag is much lower in a 60fps game it feels better, tighter more responsive. Its also visible, there is a certain fluidity to everything . Not every game profits from it but alot do.  

 

@Superchunk 

I read a few comments from you in different threads, it seems to me that you underestimate the next gen Consoles due to overlooking a few things. 

 

To the GPU part. Its definetly not lower cost than a 7850 its a bigger die for just the GPU alone, also not the same architecture. Its very likely to be way more efficent than a 7850. Its atm slightly lower clocked but still has a higher performance overall and especially per watt. 

 

Also we don't know the architectural details yet and the potential advantages an APU has versus a classic CPU+GPU architecture. You can not compare the PS4 APU 1:1 to a PC GPU. It doesn't work that way. No Direct X Overhead+Windows+ optimization+unified Ram+no PCI Bottleneck between CPU/GPU+improved GCN Architecture+fixed configuration advantage. Combined it does make a difference

And really we don't know what exactly Sony and AMD cooked up but its definetly better than the plain GCN Architecture used in Pitcairn GPUs.

And its not a mobile GPU part. It will not consume 30 Watt but 100 + whatever the CPU needs.

 

Its really not a standard Laptop part and Tablets will take forever to reach that kind of performace.

There is just one "mobile" AMD GPU that is in the same league as the one in the PS4 and thats the 7970m which is a 7870 downclocked by 200mhz and eats up 100 Watt. Its available for 10 pound Laptops with 17 inch screens, all other mobile GPUs are nothing like that, not even close.

If you want to look at PC gaming now and guess how PS4 will perform without much optimization you have to look at a 7870  Benchmark if not higher. A significant amount of power gets wasted on PC due to Drivers/APIs and Windows its the price to pay for an open and flexible system.