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JazzB1987 on 25 March 2013
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CGI-Quality said:
JazzB1987 said:
CGI-Quality said:
JazzB1987 said:

Seriously who even needs "animated" faces? Do it like LA noire. Best way to do it and it even looks amazing on ps360's "crappy" graphics.

Hell-to-the-no!! Thank God nobody followed those footsteps. Naughty Dog and David Cage said it best: those characters, despite the faces, were some of the most stilted and stiff in the 7th generation. A complete disconnect when head-and-body are not captured together.


What exactly does the face animation have anything to do with the devs not "connecting" the faces to the bodies?  NOTHING.
You even say "despite the faces" so you actually agree with me and just disagree for the sake of disagreeing?

Hmmm...you said: "Do it like LA Noire". That has EVERYTHING to do with head and body (if you know anything about mo-cap). Yeah, the faces looked great, but the rest of the body was very stiff and unnatural, hence why I said what I said.

(Crossed out) Irrelevant, as I wasn't arguing character design

You gave me no reason, at all, as to why L.A. Noire's characters correct the issues of the OP. If anything, it would be a complete step backwards, since the characters are very unnatural. 

Well I wasnt talking about the issue since what exactly is the issue you talk about?  The uncanny valley? Well then Ken somehow mentioned that first and I am talking about that  yeah.
  You just showed 2 different (well 3)  heads/faces and wanted to hear some of our thoughts.  

I just jumped on the creepy/uncanny-train ken started and said that they should use mocap like in LA Noire and refine that method. I mean the DAWN part of the Nvidia demonstration was totally cr(a/e)ppy because some person tried to immitate facial expressions and it didnt work.

And in Davids demo you see 1  guy without changing emotion  (well his eyebrows move WOW)  use your hand and hide the upper part of his face so that the nose is the last thing you see  nothing moves at all.....

So in this regard Nvidia wins hands down even tho the guy totally reminds me of DATA from Star trek and the only time he looks "normal" is when he shouts TAKE MA MONAAY!!!!!!!!!  (that part was mocap right?)

But am I impressed by either of those 2 demonstrations?

I dont think so. (change that if the Take ma monnaaay! part was NOT mocap)