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theprof00 on 21 March 2013
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walsufnir said:
theprof00 said:
walsufnir said:
theprof00 said:
Here's the problem s that people seem to be missing.
1) designing for install and designing to run off disc are different, making ports just that much more time consuming.
2) full installs will actually increase both piracy and used game sales as people install and sell.
3) always connected is a slippery slope.
4) hdd information can corrupt.
5) hdds are going to need to be massive, but not like people were against 100gb hdds for 100 $ this past box...
6) kinect is a camera you cannot turn off that microsoft has admitted they track

 

to 1) what? they could easily take the worse way (run off disc) and just port it. where is the difficulty?

to 2) ??? who says that there is no cd-protection? to me it sounds like the way it is now with 360 but install is mandatory.

to 3) it's the same way it is now.

to 4) ehh... ps3 has an hdd, 360 has an hdd, ps4 will have an hdd... what are you trying to say here?

to 5) a point to both ps4 and nextbox.

to 6) just put a towel over it, works with birds, too ;)

1. Right, which will take up extra space. It would be one thing if games were installed, but if they had to be copied, therein lies the problem.
2. So, still putting the game in the system, yet 50 comments already saying "yay, play without the disc".
3. No, it's not, not a single system ever has to be connected in any shape or form.
4. If you install the full game data to a hard drive, you are more likely to run into problems than by running it off the disc, because even tiny amounts of data corrupting can break a game. Worse, hdd game storage allows for lots of hacking opportunities.
5. If you're installing all games mandatorily, then you need a much bigger drive. It is not "a point to both", it's "both will require the same space, and 720 will require more on top of that because it requires hundreds of gigs to be installed." Even a TERABYTE is going to fill up quickly when you're talking BluRays.
6. Well that's certainly one solution.

1. depends and will be seen.

2. oh yes, the amount of comments is definitely supporting your argument ;) nice one.

3. I was referring that the same was said with Wii and 360 before they were released.  

4. So ps3 by now uses partly mandatory installs to HDD but I never heard that it was a big issue that games didn't work properly anymore because of broken HDDs. ODD is the worst they can do: set to break, loud, unbelievably slow due to insane access-times, produce heat. Also HDDs have extra sectors for corrupted sectors. This is not a console problem but a problem with every memory that can be written.

5. Because every game uses 50Gb? Hahaha, no :) It didn't happen to ps3 and it won't happen with nextbox and/or ps4. Some games could be quite big, yes, but I highly doubt that they all get that big. I expect ~20Gb on average (which would be worth ~45 games with 1TB).

1. It's a fundamental fact. There's a difference between an install and a copy. PS3 games do not require copying, but some have installs that copy just a little repetitive data.
2. Sure fine. 720 requires discs, 720 will encourage used games. Pick one.
3. So you're just arguing that this isn't an issue in your opinion. Fine.
4. Again, a difference between installing small amounts of repetitive data, and copying an entire disc. Not to mention the wear that level of use is going to cause.
5 Except 720 is being promoted as a media station, so we'll see how many games that ends up being.