kain_kusanagi said:
You said: "There is benefit in having FFVsXIII as exclusive." I thought yoou meant that being exclusive makes games better. But if you just mean it's good for Sony, well, that's a selfish way to look at things. I replied assuming that you meant exclusive is better than multiplatform and that's the notion I responded to. Anyway, Like I said Gears of War was paid for by MS from the start. It is under contract by MS. If MS doesn't renew the contract then more gamers will get to play it. That would be a good thing. But until MS decided it doesn't want to pay for Gears of War I going to continue to consider it in the same company as other 1st and 2nd party exclusives. If it does go multiplatform in the future I can assure you I won't complain just like I didn't complain when Mass Effect went multiplatform or when Bioshock went multiplatform. I am not wishing for Final Fantasy to leave Sony. I want it and all 3rd party games, not under contract, to be available to as many people as possible. To me a 2nd party game is no different than a 1st party game. It deserves to be on a single platform. But 3rd party games should always be multiplatform because they have no reason to be exclusive. I'm glad you enjoy Sony's great games. Final Fantasy isn't one of them. Final Fantasy is a Square Enix franchise and hold no allegiance to Sony or Sony fans. Square has put Final Fantasy on almost everything. It was on Nintendo first and it has been on so many others I don't feel like listing them. FF Vs XIII has no obligation to be exclusive and unless Sony pays for it it should be multiplatform. I really don't understand Final Fantasy fans. It's hopped around so many platforms that you couldn't just own Sony machines to play them all. What if Square Enix decided to make all future Final Fantasy games exclusive to Wii U? Would they follow it to Wii U or complain that it should be on PS4? If they were real fans they would follow it. If they only want it so Sony "wins" than they aren't really fans of Final Fantasy. You seem to think I'm some kind of Xbot warrior. You have such a strong loyalty to Sony I think you assume that everyone else feels the same about their favorite game companies. I own and play them all. I have my favorite games like Halo, but that doesn't mean that I want only MS to succeed. I want PC, MS, Nintendo and Sony fans to get the best games. If it's 3rd party they should all get to play. If it's 2nd or 1st party than you'll just have to buy the console if you want to play it badly enough. Sony has not yet paid for FF XIII so it should be multiplatform. Wishing for it to be exclusive makes no sense to me, whatsoever. |
I want to point out that we are discussing your opinion here. I feel like I need to put this conversation in context. Some people would simply walk away from a conversation where one is discussing another user's opinion, but I like to argue. Why do I mention this? The discussion of whether a game should stay or become exclusive considering the viability or the benefits in this for third parties was discussed before and left as it was. You brought another point that could serve as argument to whether a game should stay exclusive or not and that is: more games for more gamers, without restrictions. Here is when I continue the conversation:
1) You asked me what was the benefit for me in having VS13 as exclusive and I responded with that. You assumed something I didn't mean.
2) Yeah, it is a selfish point of view. Everyone has selfish thoughts and makes selfish decisions regularly, it isn't an issue.
3) If that is your point of view for Gears going multiplatform then I take this part as being understood.
4) I have problem with your view of "more games for more gamers". I can understand someone who believes that all games should be available for everyone regardless of their console, in spite of how improbably that possibility is. You said this:
I am not wishing for Final Fantasy to leave Sony. I want it and all 3rd party games, not under contract, to be available to as many people as possible. To me a 2nd party game is no different than a 1st party game. It deserves to be on a single platform. But 3rd party games should always be multiplatform because they have no reason to be exclusive.
What I understand from you is that you believe games should be available for more gamers, but when it comes to franchises started in an specific console then "games for more gamers" is irrelevant to you because keeping a game for the console of origin to the franchise is more important. Your notion or your backing behind the importance of "more games for more gamers" is limited, and you impose that limit with your desire to see franchises attached to their console of origin. What about people who have seen Gears and would like to play those games but don't want to buy an Xbox? I guess you would tell them: "Well, if you want to play that game, buy an Xbox.", right? Like you said here: If it's 3rd party they should all get to play. If it's 2nd or 1st party than you'll just have to buy the console if you want to play it badly enough.
Here you will see the limit of how important you believe how "more games for more gamers" is.
My position is very simple. Sony provides me with some of the most meaningful forms of gaming outside of some third party franchises and I want to protect that. Sony is a console maker and the fate of those forms of gaming are tied to the fate of the console. I will like and support every good news or things that will favor Sony's console.
5) I'm glad you enjoy Sony's great games. Final Fantasy isn't one of them. Final Fantasy is a Square Enix franchise and hold no allegiance to Sony or Sony fans. Square has put Final Fantasy on almost everything. It was on Nintendo first and it has been on so many others I don't feel like listing them. FF Vs XIII has no obligation to be exclusive and unless Sony pays for it it should be multiplatform.
I never said FF was obliged to be a Sony exclusive. I just expressed my desire. Final Fantasy is a franchise that has been managed very irregularly when it comes to exclusivity. It started in Nintendo yes, but then passed to Playstation where not only it earned relative fan acclaim for its entries, but where it developed into entries that you could not play anywhere else (except with the PC ports (VII, VIII) and multi (XI, XIV). I can play the first six Final Fantasy in the Playstation, but Nintendo fans cannot play said entries in their consoles, as Sony fans cannot play the Final Fantasy DS remakes and Crystal ones. With Final Fantasy the situation is not "what it should have been", according to you and your point of view of franchise attached to consoles, but "what it became", and when it comes to Final Fantasy it is a situation of Nintendo and Sony fans fighting over entries. But Sony fans are the ones that have access to the numbered and main games of the series while Nintendo fans don't. Does it mean Final Fantasy is Sony fans'? No, it doesn't. But you should understand the feel of attachment a Sony fan can have for the franchise.
6) You seem to think I'm some kind of Xbot warrior. You have such a strong loyalty to Sony I think you assume that everyone else feels the same about their favorite game companies. I own and play them all. I have my favorite games like Halo, but that doesn't mean that I want only MS to succeed. I want PC, MS, Nintendo and Sony fans to get the best games.
I thought it was pretty evident that I asked you to identify your stance in gaming so that I could put your perspective in context. There are Xbox, Nintendo, PC fans with positions as strong as mine in here and I wanted to see where you came from. Your assumption is out of place again.
But I am cautious person and I don't believe every single word put out here specially when the position provided within an argument may be presented in order to try and give more weight to an argument. I am sure we will run again in the forums and I am interested to see this stance you demonstrated in here will color the content of your posts.
7) If it's 2nd or 1st party than you'll just have to buy the console if you want to play it badly enough. Sony has not yet paid for FF XIII so it should be multiplatform.
Actually this is not necessarily the case. If Gears releases in PS4 I won't "have" to buy an Xbox to play that game. That is what happens when a console company doesn't own a franchise's IP, like Micro doesn't when it comes to Gears. You should have voiced this as:
If it's 2nd or 1st party then I wish you have to buy the console if you want to play it badly enough.
With Final Fantasy games it won't be a matter of what you or me desire, but what Square decides. The same goes for Epic and their Gears. All I ever did was expressed my desire, as FFvs13 exclusivity not only simplifies everything to me as a FF fan, but also pushes forward the agenda of my favorite game developer which resonates with mine.
Nintendo is selling their IPs to Microsoft and this is true because:
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=221391&page=1
