A lot of ignorance today (Remote play and Eyetoy never existed)

[joeorc]

happydolphin said:

 

I agree with the last part (in bold) because that was two people working on the idea in parallel. With the GB camera versus the eyetoy, we know which one came out first. The same is true about handheld to console cross connectivity. In that sense we can't blur the lines in those cases as we can in the case of Wii vs move.

However, in the HandSpring vs GB Cam, I'm going to have to disagree with you. The man who used his belt to tie books together came up with an innovative application of an existing creation. In the case of handspring, the patent doesn't mention cameras, it mentions a rotating extension to a handheld. But the heart of the topic isn't an extension to a handheld, it's not even handhelds. It's cameras attached to consoles. In terms of the creation, webcams existed since 1994. So neither HS nor Ninty invented the webcam. The first use of it on a handheld is Ninty's, as it is the first use of it on a gaming console. HS didn't have a patent for cams, they had a patent for extensions to handhelds. We don't know when the cam was made a part of it, and there is little indication it was meant in a gaming application or context. So all in all it had little bearing in the context of the topic at hand (Eyetoy vs kinect vs GB camera).

happydolphin you cannot have it both way's, the point of a invention is to fill a area where something was created for a use, the point of innovation is creative use's of such invention's.

"the patent doesn't mention cameras"

in the patent it shows a camera attaching to a cellphone! there is a picture right in the patent! as a method for expansion to handheld device such as PDA's; even adding to a desktop PC 's and adding portable Camera's to Cellphone's! two year's before JUPITOR AND nINTENDO MADE THE GAME BOY CAMERAfor the Game boy does that mean the concept of adding it to a game console was Nintendo's alone? or does it mean that Nintendo released it first?

AGAIN Concept and innovation are not the same thing!.

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The first use of it on a handheld is Ninty's, as it is the first use of it on a gaming console"

and did PDA's like palm pilot's play Game's? Look im not saying that Nintendo is not innovative, they had the world's smallest camera on a handheld  @ one time but on the same token you cannot give a blanket Innovative "carte blanche" Label to Nintendo That everyone else just copy's and just giving the blank statement that other's are just copying Nintendo, when its not true at all. A dedicated Game handheld and a PDA both play games. both as you can see had concepts to add a camera to them, that does not mean other's copied Nintendo on the concept.

the concept of doing it for Game console's is like did an application or concept oR method OF USE for the Game console mean that it was done on the game console first before it was done on the PC ?

when they designed this camera did it start on the gameboy or did it start on a PC? in its design?

thus HP has a patent to add camera's to a handheld device predate the Gameboy Camera by 2 year's does that mean that HP was the first one to think of said concept? it does not mean out right No. But on the same token just because Jupiter Corporation developed a camera for a handheld that Nintendo was making called the Gameboy does not mean outright Nintendo created the very concept of putting out a Camera on a game console and that they were the only one's to come up with the idea.. It just means they may have beat someone else to the market first!