Michael-5 said:
Weedlab said:
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See Above. I can't see any PS3/360 games running X. Most high end 360 games have serious fade in problems, and objects at a distance randomly appear when you get close enough. Never do we see moving interactive object over 1 km away unless they are set story sequences (something which happens identically every time you play the chapter). Some PS3 games, like God of War, look something like X, but the lighting and texture just don't match up. X looks noticably better and distinctively next gen.
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Well I'm not so sure about that. X seems to have its fair share of problems too, including pop in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66NX3OQCsTQ&list=UU6NhV2JOJr6pPGj1Q5m2eHg&index=29
X looks good, but so far it doesn't strike me as a next gen title. I will wait and see how it develops though.
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Also, the sceen shots you used for the purpose of comparison is misleading. You are comparing a photo of Killzone 3 to Killzone: Shadow Fall I presume? Killzone 3 which came out in 2011 - which is around 5 years into the PS3’s lifecycle –and it is being compared to an alpha build. Although still flawed, wouldn’t Killzone 2 be a better measure to display the jump?
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Well I guess everyone percieves things differently, I didn't notice that texture pop in, but regardless that's still leaps and bounds ahead of the pop in I've experienced on 360/PS3 games, and the graphics still look significantly better.
To me X looked like a big jump from this gen and KZSF looked no better.
Also like you said, we're looking at X Alpha gameplay, that pop-in might not exist when the game is released.
As for my comparision of KZ3 to KZSF, I'm trying to emphasis a point. The Jump we see from KZ3 to Shadow Fall does exceed the capabilities of the PS3, but the jump isn't that huge as to us noticing much of a difference. From what I've seen the jump from KZ2 to KZ3 is nearly as big. My arguement is that PS4 games so far look like a continuation of PS3 games, meaning that early PS4 sequels do not look that much better then late PS3 entries.
Obviously late PS4 games will look better then late PS3 games, but on the same token they will only look slightly better then early PS4 games, which look slightly better then late PS3 games. We've reached the point in graphics where improvements are make in small increments. It's been like that for the past 7 years, and it looks like that might continue for the next 5 or 6.
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Yes it is subjective. As the video displayed from the little Nintendo showed us two issues were already spotted, but as I said it is early and I am willing to wait and see what the final product is like before I cast judgment. However, as it stands nothing on the Wii U has convinced me it is a next generation console in the sense that it is leaps and bounds above the PS3 and 360. Although it is not a perfect comparison it seems a cut above the aforementioned systems so I’m more inclined to liken it to the Xbox vs other consoles in that generation.
I know what you were trying to show, and that’s why I said it was flawed and I will stand by that. If you compare Xbox and Gamecube games towards the end of their respective cycles to the Xbox 360’s games you would see the ‘jump’ is more like a step forward. I remember people were referring to the Xbox 360 as the Xbox 1.5. With that said, wouldn’t that mean it is natural for the first wave of games on new consoles to look more like an evolution as opposed to a revolution?
And yes I think we are at a point of diminishing returns with respect to graphics. However, next gen implies a LOT more than graphics. Animations, scale, frames, detail, etc, etc, etc. That is why I am not convinced the Wii U is next gen (in the sense I described above). The Wii U can't even do The Witness and it is one of the first multiplat games announched. That doesn't bode well for the Wii U's prospects with respect to cross-platform games in the future.
Either way, that really doesn’t matter to me. I like Nintendo’s games and the system is > PS3/360. That’s more than good enough for me since I’m actually satisfied with the PS3’s offerings.
