If God doesnt exist then who wrote the bible ?

[ToraTiger]

Jay520 said:

ToraTiger said:

As I've stated before, not a lot of things in this World can truely be explained. For example, why did man create Religion. And why did he create the Big Bang theory? If I can account both of these as truths since no knowledge can be obtained as to why it happened.  And each opposing side appears to believe the other.   Both can be viewed as true. There is no predicability on this one Either both are right, or both are wrong. The belief in the existence of Dark Matter is no more different to the belief in God. If neither can be proved wrong, they are, in their own virtue, a gospel truth. And science doesn't exactly prove anything.

Sure after studying the life of plants we humans have deducted that it's Sun, seeds, water and other organisms that causes them to grow. Can Science explain why this happens? And if so, can they explain how that happened? See? Like I've said, It's just gonna go on forever And I think it's truely ashame that after all the Religions man has adopted, people are trying to say that it was based on premativity? Sure sounds loco if you ask me.   I've said that to say this, If some study of modern life can determine how the World began (This is just for arguement's sake, honestly how are we to believe something that happened so long ago, before our existance and without much to back it up?) That still doesn't explain why it happened. 

Granted, the same could be done with Religion, that being said, I've stated that to show how laughable the Science vs Religion debate stands with me and many others.  If someone said, "Hey, I don't think there's a God", I could understand that and respect it, but trying to debate it with these external science "facts" and that we're now ignorant to believe in God because we now know how our World works a little better.  It's just a couple of squirrels shy of a nut house, if you ask me.

Here's something else that Science and man will never truely be able to understand nor label, Why can't we all be like animals with disregard for no one but our selfs? And how come most every culture has the same basis as to what is right and what is wrong? Where is this decided in our DNA? :p

And for those out there who say we adopted Religion because of a fear of death if we truely feared death to a point of yielding to an unknown  force, why is it that Ancient Egytians, believed in both God and reincarnation? In fact, lots of Ancients believed in reincarnation,  like the Mayans So my analogy is this, believing in God has no correlation with the fear of death. You people just come off as opinionated to me.

Surely we do know more about our surrondings than before, but we still can't determine where our minds go after we die, and if we are truely being reborned into other vessels or we just stay in limbo, or go to Heaven or Hell. And that Big Bang Theory...If we existed by chance, and there was no God, then how come the realization of God came to us before that theory? That just sounds like a mad (albiet, intellegent) person trying to make humans play God to me.

And if my post sounds offensive or demeaning, that surely wasn't my intention as I respect all beliefs (Not believing is also a belief!) and only wish for others to do the same.

Also, nice note DaRev! They can't disregard some logics and accept others!

1. Truths are not based on whether we can prove they are true or not; something is true or false regardless of whether or not we can confirm such. As such, it is illogical to believe things solely because we cannot confirm their inexistence. If we did that, then we would have an infinite amount of false, contradicting, and downright absurd beliefs.

Going by your logic, because we cannot disprove their existence, unicorns, Bigfoot, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and other absurdities would thus be true and we would have to believe them. If you see no problem with this line of thinking, then I'm not sure what to say. Also, according to your logic, because we can't disprove the Gods of other religions, we would have to accept that the Gods of every other religion is true which sets up massive problems with contradicting beliefs.

In order to prevent holding false, absurd and contradicting beliefs, we need to believe things based on reasons, not just because we cannot disprove them. When it comes to the Christian God, there is no justified reasoning for such a belief, other than the lack of counter-prove.

2. The questions you're asking aren't scientific questions. Science does not attempt to answer "why"; philosophy does. Religion also doesn't answer "why" if you want to get technical. It answers "why" by giving another entity which is in itself just as inexplicable as the question it attempts to answer. So instead of answering "why", religion just changes the question into a more complicated one. So if religion doesn't answer "why" and in fact makes our world less understandable, what reason is there to believe it's accurate? Even in philosophy, scholars don't believe in things just because there is no counter evidence.

3. We care for others rather than being selfish because that mentality is what's best for society, which is in turn what's best for each and every individual. As social creatures, we each function better by working together rather than alone. If we didn't come together, we would still be in prehistoric times and would not have advanced anywhere near where we are today; the advantages of such advancement is valued by everyone. As we work together, there are certain behaviors that are a detriment to society. Murder, theft, etc., all harm society which is why it's typically frowned upon by the society. Societies will naturally discourage things that harms it's existence.

Every culture does not have the same basis for right and wrong. Some cultures prohibit women from showing skin because they believe it's wrong. Some cultures force children into war before they even hit puberty. Some cultures force their religion down the people's throat and punishes people with death if they refuse. In the past, many cultures encouraged slavery and some probably still do today. So clearly, cultures have vastly different definitions of what's right and wrong; there is no supernatural force that conveys a sense of morality into everyone.

4. Fear of death is just one of the reasons why man created religion. The main reason man created religion was to account for natural phenomena. For instance, thunderstorms were considered the result of Zeus's anger. People though there was a sun God in the sky as it was the only reason the sun was pushed in the sky every morning. People couldn't understand any actions that weren't influenced by a conscious being, and many people still feel the same today. People typically associated their feelings/emotions of certain events and inferred that a God with similar emotions caused such events.

5. Not believing is not a belief, by definition. You can believe God exists. You can believe God doesn't exists. If you don't fall into either of those categories, then you have no beliefs concerning the existence of a God.

Well firstly, who exactly has the rights to verify something as truth? The Government says Bin Laden was killed in a night raid and tossed into the ocean. Most people don't exactly believe that and it's most likely a fabrication. But his death is accounted as a truth. (See Wikipedia) Also don't you guys think God is a falsity, and most people think God's a truth? Doesn't that right there form a contradicting ideal? And by majority rules logic, you guys would be wrong right away, as even scientists have to reach a consensus to validate their findings. No one has to believe anything. That's up to them entirely.

I never said anything about the values of every culture's God as being true, only that God is. Because such things as a bird God (Ra), has correlation with an earthly entity. He's based off of an eagle with a human body. Earthly concepts. For example, when man thought up BigFoot he imagined a man-ape hybrid. When he thought of Unicorns, he added a horn to a horse. Just like, Aliens, ghosts, Pokemons, ect. This also goes for evolution, man deducted that apes are the closest an animal gets to a human and such the basis for all evolution was formed. Man doesn't possess the innate ability to establish something from nothing. Could we have thought of something like a tree if we were all blind and had no senses to analyze it? The only way someone could think of something as abstract as a invisible force that in which we all have to yield to would be by accident. But there must have been a lot of accidents then, since most civilizations believed in God.

I'd like to know where in my previous posts did I ever say the Christian God was real. And if you thought I was a Christian, then that's a misconception on your part. if someone can truly answer how and why man created such an abstract concept such as yielding to an unknown force that has zero correlation with the rest of the World, and still today believes in it, then I'd love to hear it.

Also, Philosophy is more of a subjective matter than Science. Not even this field can answer why, though it attempts to. Many people will have different answers, so either all of them are right or all of them are wrong. Because we can't determine the intentions of our ancestors when they would respond to urges and moral codes, a definitive unanimity would not be possible to incur. Trying to disprove Religion with philosophy or answer ethics with it will never happen, as this field is mostly based on individual opinions on how these system(s) work. And as for your third point, I'd suggest you go back to the 'lab' and write a better reason for it than that. Then again, you sound pretty confident in it and if you really believe in that reasoning, I think I'm severely wasting my time here. Lions are social and so are fish, but are their moral codes on line with ours? As I said before, the aims of these people will never be completely clear to us, as we have no knowledge of what went through their minds when they would reject murder, theft, lies, ect and approve of slavery and other things. I said most all cultures had the same basis for ethics, not that all are the same.

Point 4, seems far-fetched. Considering all people believe what they see, and they use that to determine how things work. They'd determine that the clouds made thunderstorms, as such storms only exist with clouds present. Gods like Zeus was more of a reason for it, not how it came to be, seeing as many archaic Gods are based off of several concepts, many of which are familiar to just about anyone, like love, war, celebration, ect. It seems like a step backwards to believe in God just because of that. Also, we can't ascertain as to the intentions of these ancients so we'll never know, why Zeus or Ra were initially created. That is simply the thinking of someone raised into a society were principles are already established. Curiosity would have been a better answer. God Is probably the only completely abstract thing that came into existence, and that alone is enough reason for most people to follow it, though it's not exactly enough for others. Like Fireforgey has stated, certain evidence can be subjective to some people and not for others. Some people say the contents of the Bible is more than enough reason for them to believe, regardless of it's origins or who actually wrote it. This is the same for Muslims, Jews and many other religions.

As for that last thing, I clearly said "Not believing is also a belief." There is a difference. Don't twist words. It doesn't help your argument.