SlayerRondo said:
Frank_kc said:
SlayerRondo said:
ToraTiger said:
Well, there is a lot of things in this World that can't be explained. Like why do birds fly south for the winter? Why do these birds know to sit on their eggs? Why did man 'create' the very first religions? You see, we (Muslims) believe that God exists in all of us. (Even atheists) And that books like the Bible, Torah and others all contain some belief to God presences. In other words; Man has followed religion since the beginning of time, Romans, Egyptians, Chinese, all believe in a greater power. Where Christianity is concern, the Bible has been altered so many ways and so many times that it has lost some of it's divinity. See, this is the cause to all the "Atheists" that have been brought up in recent years. Though it shames me to say it, even Islam has been altered to some extend in certain places. Like the misrepresentation of Jihad. And if someone was to sit down, lose every bit of knowledge of Religion that society has thought them (I believe the alternation of Bible is the key to why so many disbelieve in God) And I'd bet that child would grow up believing in God.
No one seems to care about the "likeliness" of things that are contained in these books and are only concerned with the contradiction that exist, and why wouldn't some exist? It was created in a time where the live style and definition was COMPLETELY different. Not to mention things that could be lost in translation. So to make my point, read a 'clean' Bible, Quran, Torah or anything else, and find "your" definition of it. As I've said before that's why the worlds in it's current Religious state, people feel like Religion is just like their native governments trying to control their life. So instead of living by what you're parents or whoever told you, or what society has fed you, just pick up a book and decide what it means for yourself. As I see a lot of Atheist don't seem to have any sort of knowledge beside the very basics of Christianity. (Christ is God, father, son, holy ghost, he died for our sins ect. )
That said I'm not a Christian.
Lastly, someone just answer me this, if God doesn't exist and we humans are the closest things to it there are, they how come since the beginning of time there have been many ancients praying and yielding to something that doesn't exist ? |
I can gaurantee you most christian's and muslim's have not had a real good look through their holy book's because if they hd they woul have seen the long list of internal and external contradiction's with themselves and scientific fact's. You really think that if more people had a godlook at your holy book they would not find themselves embarrassed and disgusted by the god's proclaimed within?
Muslim's probably should have re-written the Quran given how many absurd thing's are kept within it that most people would see as a poorly written piece of fiction. A book that a ritten 1300 year's ago is not proof of the existence of god and most people no believe in it for three reason's
1: Their parent's where folower's of that religion
2: Their afraid of death and can;t accept a world without god
3: Their culture is unaccepting of athiesm ranging from exclusion all the way to death for apostacy.
Im guessing that you were simply brought up being taught islam and was imprinted upon you as a child when you were most vulnerable. If you were brought up christian you would be here ingoring the inconsistancy's of the bible and pointing out those of the Quran.
Check out http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/ for a list of contradiction's in the Quran with an open mind.
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I am not the best person to respond to the claims of contradiction, but reading some of it (being open minded) tells me that this list is just baloney.
I can give you a couple of examples:
- item 109: Muslims can adopt orphans ,However they can not change the child's last name to their name as Islam values the identity of the family. You are not the child's bio parents and will never be their parents.
-item 72 is really funny contradiction... so calling a prophet wife an old woman is a contradiction.....
As i said, i am not the best person to respond to each one of those items. Since we are trying to be open minded here, if some one tells you something, dont you want to make sure that what he is telling you is right or wrong?? thats the way i view those contradictions..... verify that those are true claims before you make a judgment.
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Hmm not surprised you did not start off at the beginning of the list if you truly thought the list was a load of baloney but rather picked and chose which one's you thought made the least sense.
While item 72 is a bit of a strech (the point made on the site does mention that it may just be the wife is the old woman and believe's calling the wife of the supposed prophet that would be rude) but 109 ponit's out that the Quran acknoledges adoption then prohibit's itself.
The claim's about the Quran on that site use's the passages in the Quran to show how they contradict each other so to deny their evidence is to deny the Quran itself. I have seen the contradictions and almost all of them make sense to me and therefore the Quran must contain lie's and falsehood's that a god would not have put in there. If you cannot refute the contradiction's then you simply have to admit that part of the Quran is false and therefore either god screwed up or people made it up/ added their 2 cents.
And coming from someone who is not only a believer in god but a thiest i think that maybe you should take a good hard look at all the thing's that are wrong within your religion. You will find contradiction's within the Quran, between the Quran and history, contradiction's with proven scientific fact and a complete lack of evidence of any divine act of god.
And just a a reminder as someone making an assertion that your god is true the burden of proof is on you and other religious people to prove the existence of god and a book written over a millenium ago with an absurd amount of contradiction's and a complete lack of physical evidence is not going to cut it.
I understand that you've been brought up believing in islam and you like many other's have a strong belief and really want it to be true so will twist logic however you can to fit in with a religion that make's less and less sense every year as we learn more and more about the world around us and replace god as an explanation with scientific theory's.
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I have not picked and select from the list, as I told you, i am not the most experienced person in Islam to respond to the contradiction claims listed on that web page. More examples:
- Item 4: i can challenge any one in this world that the Quran said that Muhammad has seen god. The part referenced here 53-1 doesn’t say in any kind of translation that Muhammad has seen god. Here is the a reference with translation to English:
http://quran.com/53
It says that Muhammad have seen signs of his lord, not the lord him self.
- Item 7: Although the point says that god said that angels cant cause people to die, there is no reference what so ever to this in the Quran like other references of contradiction listed on this website. However, all three references to angles causing people to die ( referenced by chapter in this point) are consistent and accurate.
-item 24: The first time when Mary was giving birth to Jesus, there was only one angel who talked to her. The other contradiction which the site claims about a group of angels is different since it was not at the time when she was giving birth to Jesus. There is no single reference in that chapter that indicate that those group of angels who asked Mary to pray to only one god happened when she was giving birth to Jesus.
As I said earlier, those are more examples about how baloney are those contradictions. When you need to learn something, learn it from the source and be open minded as you want others to be open minded.
