Fireforgey said:
"And to the point that the story of why god only told one man all of what was in the Quran being a story for another day is simply you not having an answer that does not sound nonsensical and cruel on god's part. Not to mention that it took him a while to get the message out there considering how long people had been in existence."
Really? Really? So because I had just come home from work and was tired and didn't want to sit and write a massive essay on the subject means that I don't have an answer? Interesting. The answer to that my friend is that God did send his message to ALL parts of the earth with many many many different messengers. Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Isac, Jonas, Noah, Solomon, and many others that are known that I don't know about, and thousands of others that were never mentioned by name. These people were sent, some of them reached different levels of success than others. But, in the end all of the messages that God sent down had the same fate. They were corrupted beyond recognition.The Jewish religion. They refused to believe in Jesus their profecised Mesiah who would show them the truth. They ignored him and eventually tried to kill him. They now go on thinking that their Messiah is still to come. The Christian religion. Jesus is the son of god, and.....Honestly there really needs nothing more to prove the corruption of that once great religion. Then you have many others of the Abrahamic religions which pointed to the same thing. Finally The Prophet Mohamed came down to spread the Muslim Religion, this was the one prophesised in the other religions and all the other religions rejected him, do you know why? Because those religions had become corrupted. If he had come down to a Christian nation he would have been murdered offhand as a heretic. These nations had their chances at seeing the true religion and believing in God, and they decided to tailor the religion to what would make them the most comfortable and would offer them the most controll.
Do you know anything of spreading Islam by force? The actual idea of it was that the leaders, kings sultans ect.. of the different countries and tribes refused the entry of Islam in their country. In other words, they refused for their citizens to simply learn and choose for themselves. When a leader would refuse to simply let the thought and idea in their country he would go to war. To know about how peaceful the religion is, whe he took over Mecca from the Quraish Tribe, he went into the Kaaba with all of the leaders of that tribe. These were the people who posed the greatest threat to Islam when it was still growing. These people tourtured and taunted the Muslims and made thier lives a living hell. When the Prophet Mohamed went in the Kaaba he asked them what was he to do with them. They said, let us go. So he said "go for you are free". The prosperity and he peace he brought to these nations that they conquered can't be understated. They brought something unheard of at the time. FREEDOM OF RELIGION. You were 100% free to beleive in whatever god you wanted and remain unmolested, unharrased and enjoy all of the benefits of being in the sate. They was a bit more expensive tax if memory serves, but when you think of the Spanish Inquisition......That really is nothing.
About Marrying a 6 year old, I think you are slightly exagerating how young she was but I could be wrong, I'll have to ask my fiancee, she is much more knowlagable about these things than I. However, I do have a couple of things that I can tell you. First of all, at that time marrying girls who were 10 years old was perfectly normal ALL OVER THE WORLD. Two, you take the matter at face value, sure he did that. But you forget a couple of very important facts. 1. It was by HER WILL. Under Islam a father and mother have no right to force their girl to get married. Another thing that took the western world centuries to figure out. 2. Our Mistress Aaisha was one of the most prominent figures in Islam and was essential to keeping the message true and pure decades after his death. She is one of the most revered Women in all of history and her place in Islam is one of reverence, respect and utmost admiration for what she did during and after the Prophet's death. It seems strange that you sit and talk about HE MARRIED HER AT 9 but then you don't even get the girl's point of view on the matter. Finally I will end with this. "I find it hard to believe that he was able to read but not write given that makes absolutely no sense and he was just some madman speaking whatever thought;s popped into his delusional head and other people wrote these things down resulting in multiple quran untill they were one day compiled to avoid needless fighting over what the Quran said" Ok, first of all, whenever he got a new part of the Quran, he told taught it to many people at the same time. When they were reciting the Wuran to have it written down, all of them had heard the same thing and got together to ensure that there were no discrepency's between themselves. In other words, they did it to make sure everyone knew the SAME words sentences ect... And this Madman's work, as you call it, is of a beauty that you can't imagine unless you read it in Arabic. As I said I will look at your contradictions and see if they hold any water but....How many madmen throughout history have completely changed how the whole world works. Create a system that IF FOLLOWED PROPERLY would make a society wonderful, that has influenced over a billion in one given age and became (I believe) the most quoted person in history loved, revered, respected but Muslims and Non-Muslims (who have studied histroy properly) alike. Do you have any more questions? |
So the idea of Islam was justification for the killing of ten's of thousands of people? Why did god not just send a message to these leader's who were afraid of the influence of Islam? Could he just not be bothered to make his position clear to those who would oppose a system fo belief that has zero evidence to support itself.
And yes things were different back then but god is supposed to be eternal and he did not see fit to mention how despicable it was to marry a six year old and have sex with her at the age of nine. Just because people did bad thing's back then doe's not mean they should get off the hook especially when their the supposed phrophet of islam. And the girl's point of view on having sex at the age of NINE is irrelevant because she is NINE. Deal with it, you prophet was a pedophile.
And the good of islam that you claim would only exist in a society where everyone was gullible enough to ignore the contradiction's of Islam within itself and with scientific facts. And you're claim that you have to read it in a certain language is preposterous and simply a cheap answer to the question that hold's no weight. The english language is capable of expressing the ideals contained within the Quran and you simply cannot explain all the part's that make no sense.
The discrepencies between themselves on what they though mohammad said are clearly visible in the Quran when it states scientifically disproven hypothesis and contradicts ITSELF. And the artistic merits of the book do not lend to it's credibility. Shakespear's works were artictic thing;s of beauty but no one go's around claming them to be the word of god now do they? Or if you truly bought into the Quran simple because it sounded nice and made you feel good then i feel genuinly sorry for you and hope you can see how rediculous it all is one day.
How do you know that a devil like being was not the one wispering to muhammad so that he could cause people to hate and fight each other for hundred's of year's over who has the roght of it.
And yes some madmen have done great thing's but most of them are just bonkers. Given the lack of evidence of his claim I'm going with either bonker's or attention seeking liar.
Do not bind yourself to the past but look to the future. If god does exist simply tell him he did not provide enough proof and if he's a loving god he will probably let you into heaven anyway.
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