If God doesnt exist then who wrote the bible ?

[SlayerRondo]

Fireforgey said:

SlayerRondo said:

Fireforgey said:

cunger said:

oldschoolfool said:
a bunch of different people wrote the bible. Who wrote all the other fake religious books. lol

That's not actually true. The Quran was basically just written by Muhammad.  Nobody in their right mind would suggest that God wrote the bible that's actually quite laughable. It is well known who wrote the books of the bible in fact many of the books are named after the person who wrote them in other cases information about who wrote them has been passed down over time.

Did you realise that it's possible for all religions to be made up and also for God to exist?  It is my personaly belief that yes a greater power exists and that the world makes less sense without a greater power than with. Religions have mostly been about humans reaching out to God rather than God reaching out to humans. It's possible for all religion to have a degree of validity.

Yes yes, it was just basically written by Mohamed.  So, a book with Scientific facts no one in that century had a right to know.  Written in a style no one in that age nor in any any other couldn't match.  A book that talks about the origins of the Jewish and Christian religions bringing them back to the way they were before they were changed, fixing the mistakes and contradictions in them at the same time.  A book that shows and understanding of the world far greater than anything else out there at the time. 

 

ALL of that was written by an illiterate merchant who had no formal education or training of any kind.  So, Mohamed knew Hebrew to read the Torah, read the bible, AND THEN translated them both, altered them, changed the style (I emphasise the style because it is truly the greatest-For the sake of argument one of the greatest instead of the greatest-written works of all time) to a style that is COMPLETELY different from his own (an insane amount of his quotes are preserved perfectly till now) all of that in his free time.

 

I'm not going to sit and convince you why I beleive the Muslim religion is true, however, when there are experts that doubt that Shakespear wrote his plays (look it up, it's weird) Why do people just disregard the Quran saying, oh yeah he wrote it, when the impossibility of it is astounding?

 

 

For the sake of the OP......Ouch, I I don't even know what to say to a person like that....The part that confused me the most was when she asked us to think about it.  I think thinking kind of defeats her purpose.

What evidence do you provide that Mohamed was indeed the sole writer of this book or truly illiterate like you claim he is?

The facts are that after muhammad died (just like with Jesus) the Quran was compiled by other people far more literate than himself after amassing a large amount of followers largely through the use of violence.

Also if he was not literate then even understanding what god said how would he have written it down without help?

And just becuase you think something is unlikely does not mean it is impossible. It's also madeningly unlikely that god abeing on unmatched intellect would send one prophet to one part of the world knowing that other nations would disregard it resulting it large numbers of deaths and confusion over the interpretation of the Quran for over a millenium. If that's true your god is one sick fucking asshole who like's to watch people suffer for no reason.

And this happened over 1300 year's ago so the accuracy of the preserved quotes is unreliable and just becuase you;re consistent does not mean your not consistently lying.

Look, about the part of it being accurate.  I would trust the quotes far more than....Pretty much everything.  The unforgiving extremes to which Muslim scholars take to represent the accuracy is astounding.  I have never seen anything like it.  Think of a Science paper with al of its refrences.  Then what are those references references.  And then who can vouch for the references, who passed it to whome?  If ONE and I mean one of the 26 (I believe) person chain that brought these quotes is questionable, it is discarded.

 

The Quran was spread By the prophet Mohamed however he never wrote (although by a miracle he ended up being able to read, the part of you believing or not believing that is of no importance) the Quran.  He taught it to his followers who memorized it.  Then Abu Bakr Al Sediq gathered 30 of Mohamed's closest friends after his death and wrote down the Quran for the first time but not compiled of one book.  The oldest known Quran that is still around today, I repeat, the first one still exists TODAY, was written by Othamn Ibn Afan and others of Mohamed's closest friends and followers.

 

As you said, just because I think it is unlikely doesn't mean it is impossible, but no one even considers or wonders about how a man like that could come up with one of the greatest pieces of literature ever created.  Once again, people doubt if Shakespear wrote his plays for various reasons.  I'm not saying I agree with them, but when you have a man as learned and educated as he, and still people doubt his credentials, why is it that an uneducated man was able to talk in such detail about the wonders of life, scientific facts unknown to the time, secrets of the world that we are still finding out about and YET....no one asks, How?  

I'm not saying that by it being unlikely it immeidiatly becomes the truth, but it is a question worth asking that for some strange reason, never gets asked.  Probably because the answer is one that they don't want to know.

 

As to why it came down to Arabs in one part of the world, that is another story for another time.  Also, your ideas on Muslim conquest and conquering are a bit off but I'm too tired to sit and correct everything you said now.

The Quran's origin is no where near as clear as shakespear given the quran was supposedly written about 900 years before shakespear wrote his great works.

I find it hard to believe that he was able to read but not write given that makes absolutely no sense and he was just some madman speaking whatever thought;s popped into his delusional head and other people wrote these things down resulting in multiple quran untill they were one day compiled to avoid needless fighting over what the Quran said (which given the current middle east failed tremendously) and that lead to a book that contain's multiple contradiction's.

If part of the Quran is wrong than that leaves the strong possibility that all of it was wrong.

Just go to  http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/ and you will see how many errors are in the Quran. Just because the Quran was consistent over time does not mean it wasnt consistently wrong.

And to the point that the story of why god only told one man all of what was in the Quran being a story for another day is simply you not having an answer that does not sound nonsensical and cruel on god's part. Not to mention that it took him a while to get the message out there considering how long people had been in existence.

And yes Muhammad did use force to spread islam and was married to a six year old and had sex with her at age nine. 

There is a reason why it seems unlikely he did not write it alone because he simply did not do it alone.

I also find the fact that you believe the Quran in spite of contradictions and the evil god of the Quran who supposedly taunt's people by giving them only one prophet then sending no message since incredibly stupid.