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superchunk said:
All these full bundled rumors with cameras is making my think a $400 price point is unlikely.... $450+ is becoming required. Depending, of course, on subscription options (if either do this) and how much of a loss they are willing to take per unit.

Well, like Turkish said earlier, they could have an sku without it for $400 or something and then a $450 or so one with the camera.