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Kasz216 on 08 February 2013
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the2real4mafol said:
Kasz216 said:
the2real4mafol said:
Jon-Erich said:
I'm against banning guns for two main reasons. First, whenever you try to ban something like that, it only makes things worse. We tried to ban alcohol in the 1920's and created criminal empires as a direct result. Then there's the war on drugs. We currently see how well that's going. We don't need that with guns. The second reason is I would be fearful to live in any country where the only ones with the guns are those in power.

We have very strict gun laws in the UK and everything is fine. Massacres are very very rare, i can only think of 2 in the last 15 years. Stabbings are far more likely here, but only in London really. 


Well if we're talking about the UK it's worth noting that shootings have INCREASED since the gun ban.  I mean, to repeat the graphic.

 

 

Again.... not saying it's related but it's pretty disengenious to suggest that the gun ban have ANYTHING to do with it.  Since well... it's worse there.

 

As for rampages.... You know who doesn't have mass school shootings at all?  Mexico, the malaligned country complained about in this thread.

 

 

That graph doesn't prove your point too well, ORIGINALLY homicides increased from the gun ban in 1997 but clearly peaked in 2003 (18 per million) and have since FALLEN back to the levels seen in the early 1990's (12 per million) and even lower in 2010 to 2012. Murders will happen regardless of the laws in place and even though we have a gun ban in place, shootings themselves are very low. Murder is carried out by other means. In America, a far higher portion of homicides are by a gun.

 

In the US – population 311.5 million  – there were an estimated 13,756 murders in 2009, a rate of about 5.0 per 100,000 . Of these 9,203 were carried out with a firearm. 67% of homicides carried out with a gun.

In the UK – population 56.1 million  – there were an estimated 550 murders in 2011-12, a rate of about 1.4 per 100,000. Of these 39 were carried out with a firearm. Only 7% of homicides carried out with a gun.

From~http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2012/07/24/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-weapon-updated/

and gun bans don't work? This shows the opposite. Not only is the murder per 100,000 lower but the use of guns to kill the victims is far lower in the UK. We aren't immune to this crime obviously, but we must be doing something right if crime has been falling every year since 2003. The stats for 2012 show just over half as many homicides when compared to 2003. Also, I just don't believe i would feel safer if i could own a gun.   

 


Your Murder rate went up... and is now exactly around the level it was before the gun ban.  In what way does that sound like it worked to you?   You can't point to the gun ban having any effect on UK homicides.

 

As for the US murder rate... lets compare it's shift compaired to the UK rate.

 

They're... also at early 1990's levels.  Weird that huh?  It's nearly the same trend... which means it's highly likely the handgun ban which the UK has and the US doesn't... has had zero effect.

Claiming the handgun ban works because you have less murders then the US does is like me Claiming that my all cheesecake and milkshake diet works because I was less then Seth Rogan.  He weight liked 100 pounds more then me before i started.