Logical proof for God

[Fifaguy360]

pokoko said:

Fifaguy360 said:

pokoko said:
No, no, no. This makes my head hurt. It's a parade of strawmen where he makes up the arguments to suit his answers.

Short answer, and one often repeated: if he's saying the universe can't come from nothing, then he also has to admit that god cannot come from nothing, therefore his argument is meaningless. Sorry, but this is nothing but sophistry.

Not true.

If to create the world God A needed God B to create him and God B needed God C to create him so and so forth to infinitiy ... then the world logically could never be created. Since the world exists, it must mean God always existed.

Or that the stuff which makes up the universe has always existed.  Same difference, which means his proof isn't proof of anything.

Look, I don't care if someone believes in religion, gods, or giant cats that breathe fire, just don't try to twist logic around until you think it proves god exists.  It doesn't work.  That video was flawed argument built on flawed argument.  He had something in his head that he wanted to believe and he was willing to shape everything until he got the answer he wanted.  That's not logic.

Personally, I think the idea that a consciousness can exist independent of any stimuli is nonsensical, but that's just me.  Believe what you like.

Stuff which makes up the universe cannot have always existed re: big bang. Scientifically we figured this out.