Logical proof for God

[Roma]

Jay520 said:

Roma said:

because rules are created by someone intelligent

everything has rules except the creator who is not bound by anything.

why can the universe create itself yet a castle in the desert can't?

Castles have been observed by humans to be created by humans. The same cannot be said for objects not made by humans.

- 

You say "the rules of the universe don't apply to God because he is outside of the universe." If that's the case, we can say before the universe was created, the rule that "something cannot come from nothing" also didn't apply. Therefore, according to your logic, it would be possible for the universe to come from nothing.

not when you have evidence in the Quran

I will continue tomorrow as I need some sleep now. it's 3:39

good night everyone love ya, kisses