happydolphin said:
RazorDragon said:
Immortal said:
This is one of those times when the lack of a definition for "casual" really hurts. Not casual, but Pokemon? Not casual, but NSMB? Not casual, but Wii Sports?
If those games aren't casual, I don't know what is.
His general point is also wrong, though. SMB4 would've outsold SM64. Some of the decline is attributable to third parties, but the rest is because Nintendo lowered its own standards as well. Probably mostly third parties, though. |
Pokemon is casual? Sorry man, that took all the credibility out of your post.
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It's come to the point where anything that has mass-success is a casual game.
That's what I'm trying to show people, that the premice is completely off-line with reality.
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Absolutely. But i think there's more to it than just mass-success. It's also about how accessible the game is to new players. That's one of the reasons i don't agree with this casual/hardcore denomination for games. In that context, it would be much easier AND correct if the game was simply referred as easy or hard.
Immortal said:
RazorDragon said:
And that's the point. How can a game be "casual" if you spent more than 4000 hours of your life playing it? It's because the customers are possibly children? I finished Shinobi on the Master System when i was a child. So, it's also a casual game? Now, i absolutely agree that of definition for the word casual in gaming hurts the context. There's absolutely no sense, IMO, for a game to be called casual when i believe that's actually up to the player. I mean, games shouldn't be rated as casual or hardcore, because games don't play themselves. You can be hardcore in Wii Sports, for example, if you lose a great time of your life trying to master everything about the specific game, just as you can be casual playing a FPS, if you just finish it as fast as you can and move on to the next game.
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I know that's your point. Just because I spend that much time on a game, though, doesn't mean anyone else does. (For the record, Nintendo Channel says I've spent >1000 hours on Wii Sports. Yes, the original.)
And I actually completely agree with what you're saying right now. There's no real definition for casual and core if we judge this by the games themselves. Which makes this article stupid and meaningless. Which is my point.
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Sure, i understand your point too. And, like i said to happydolphin, in that context, it would be much easier and correct if the game was simply referred as easy or hard.
