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Tom3k said:
Roma said:

as I said there is a design that can't exist without a designer just like a bunch of numbers can't form gravity in a computer game without guidance

which leads to a creator that was not created as if he was created then that creator has a creator and so on thus we would not exist.

if a person has to be granted permission to shoot a guy and that person has to get permission to give permission and so on then the guy would never be shot

Thx you for acknowledging this.

So in end we go back to either - every design needs a designer and as such even a creator needs a designer or creator doesn't need a designer and as such every design doesn't need a designer hence universes doesn't need a desiner.

Your analogy doesn't make sence. Guidance = computer program = something we can see, understand, describe, quantify. Guidence = God = ??????

lol do I need to say that not every designer has a designer here? I thought I already covered that with the word creator! the designer is the creator

1) no creation can exist without a creator but a creator can exists without a creator as the creator is not a creation because if every creator/designer had a creator/designer then we would not exists just like the guy would never be shot.

2) the universe has rules, rules come from an intelligent being that being is the creator/designer




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