what is the purpose of life?

[Roma]

Tom3k said:

Roma said:

Tom3k said:

Roma said:

well logic also tells you that nothing created can exists without a creator

Following the same logic, not even "creator" himself.

but he is not a creation so he does not need a creator to exist

tell me if not for the creator then how did we come to be?

I simply have to note that you (not me) said and I quote once again "nothing created can exist without creator".

So if Universe exists it was created by God, hence if God exists it was created by "creator #2", hence if "creator #2" exists he was created by "creator #3" etc.

So we have an option number 1) endless stream of creators - since everything that exists needs a creator.

 

If God was not "created" - he doesn't need a creator to exist, than obviously not all things that exist need a creator, hence Universe to exist doesn't need a creator either.

 

So we come down to 3 options. 1) There's an infinite number of creators 2) There's one creator 3) There's no creator(s). Since we are talking from logical perspective to select between our options we'll apply Occam's razor. In simple words we'll select the option that makes the smallest number of assumtions.

Option 1) infinte number of Gods? We need to explain infinite number of phenomena?    2) We have to explain 2 phenomena which are mechanism in which God created the World, and eternal existence of God    3) One phenomena. Either the eternal existence of Universe or mechanics in which Universe came to be. So since option 3) requires us to explain one phenomenon it's the simplest solution - the "logical" one.

I said God does not have a creator as he is not a creation

every creation has a creator but not every creator has a creator

there is a pattern in the universe that can't simple exist by accident which means there is an orchestrator which means intelligence.

an example from the video is our solar system, galaxies, nebula's and how everything has rules. that's like saying that you can throw a bunch of numbers and symbols and hope that by accident create gravity in a computer game and then throw another batch to create light.

watch the video in the OP as it explains things that would make more sense to you then my writing