Roma said:
but he is not a creation so he does not need a creator to exist tell me if not for the creator then how did we come to be? |
I simply have to note that you (not me) said and I quote once again "nothing created can exist without creator".
So if Universe exists it was created by God, hence if God exists it was created by "creator #2", hence if "creator #2" exists he was created by "creator #3" etc.
So we have an option number 1) endless stream of creators - since everything that exists needs a creator.
If God was not "created" - he doesn't need a creator to exist, than obviously not all things that exist need a creator, hence Universe to exist doesn't need a creator either.
So we come down to 3 options. 1) There's an infinite number of creators 2) There's one creator 3) There's no creator(s). Since we are talking from logical perspective to select between our options we'll apply Occam's razor. In simple words we'll select the option that makes the smallest number of assumtions.
Option 1) infinte number of Gods? We need to explain infinite number of phenomena? 2) We have to explain 2 phenomena which are mechanism in which God created the World, and eternal existence of God 3) One phenomena. Either the eternal existence of Universe or mechanics in which Universe came to be. So since option 3) requires us to explain one phenomenon it's the simplest solution - the "logical" one.
