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DélioPT on 31 January 2013
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DanneSandin said:
DélioPT said:


Last generation was unique. You won`t it repeating itself this.
There really isn`t a clear winner to be anticipated, like N64 was after Snes or PS2 after PS1 and PS3 after PS2.
It may happen that 3rd parties will be more inclined to support MS and Sony but that may change if Wii U does well in next financial year. If you look at software sales released, you will see that Wii U is selling better than VGC is saying - probably because of digital sales. Actually, the list of best sellers here is somewhat different from the one on eshop (excluding eshop only titles).
Wii U is selling a good number of software despite most of the big titles being ports or even late ports.

There`s more excitement for X than probably for any other game announced.

But there`s more!
Economics. If production costs rise 20% like EPic anticipates, do you think that big projects that fail to meet expectations won´t have a big effect? Look at Epic Mickey: a sequel that failed = end of studio.
The market in the last generation had an artificial growth on both sides. Consoles were so different that it made sense to buy more than one. Something that didn`t happen in previous generations where the winner console won hands down.
It remains, in my view, to be seen, specially on MS and Sony`s side how big their market really is.
If the market grew artificially, it will shrink. And if that happens guess who`s not going to like it? 3rd parties!

EA says it`s not. Team Ninja says it is. :)

Yes, last generation was very different, and the anomaly was the Wii. If we look at all the winners from previous gens we clearly sees that whatever system has the best 3rd party support wins. NES, SNES, PS1 and PS2. And if the market suffered from artificial growth, and the market will shrink, I think it's safe to assume that is because the casuals will be gone, and we will therefore go back to rely solely on core gamers. And if that's the case we go back to the old rules; best 3rd party support wins. BUT, since almost all games goes multiplat this rule is once more changed. So it comes back to 1st party games. And Nintendo rules this category. BUT, as we saw in the GC era, Nintendo don't do to well when all they've got is 1st party games. SO in conclusion; Nintendo needs 3rd party support, or they will sell below 25m Wii U's, and risking going 3rd party themselves. The only thing that kept them from going 3rd party before was GameBoy and DS, and then we have to ask ourself; how much can Nintendo rely on 3DS - and for how long?

Now, I don't really care if Nintendo wins this coming gen, or if they end up last - I just want 3 things from them; quality 1st party games, GOOD 3rd party support and for them NOT to go 3rd party themselves. I don't know how we came to talk about the rules of winning a generation, I'm pretty sure this all started with me being concerned that Wii U won't be getting good 3rd party support, right? At least I think that's where we started... And I'm still concerned that Wii U will be to weak to handle some of the games on PS720...


The casual leaving will affect more Nintendo`s side than PS4 or Xbox 720. The real situation is to determine whether PS3 and Xbox 360`s fanbase consists of how much one console owners. Meaning, are they sales as of now a reflection of unsatsfied Wii owners in a big way or just a small portion of their sales.
My answer is, their sales consist in a important number of Wii owners aswell. So, in the end i expect PS4 and Xbox 3 sales to be lower than the previous generation.

And how does that benefit the Wii U?
Smaller market will mean less sales for the smaller projects and too risky for the bigger projects that will try to use their power.

I don`t believe that sales this generation will be that dispar, mainly because there are 3 competitors for the core market. And in terms of 1st and 3rd party games MS and Sony aren`t that different. So it will be hard for them to stand out. Wii U on the other hand has unique 1st party titles to make them stand out.

During the N64 era, the console wasn`t the best platform for 3rd party titles - business and then market wise. During GC... well, not even Xbox made a difference.
This time all consoles will offer a great 3rd party enviroment; no single console is the sequel to a Nes,Snes, PS1/2.
so from the start, no console is ahead.
What i meant by the above is that there were big factors that made both N64, Saturn, GC, Dreamcast and Xbox, lose so badly. And i don`t see that happening again now. So, don`t fear!   :)