Turkish said:
Player1x3 said:
Turkish said:
Player1x3 said:
Turkish said:
SxyxS said:
bin laden=10000
hitler=14mio
stalin=50mio
dschenghis khan=50-70mio
mao=70mio
3rd reich =14mio
turkish/ottoman empire=100mio++
british empire=100mio++
hitler:following his own racist ideology and the rockefeller-rudin eugenics to make him rule the world=egoism as motivation
bin laden:following mohammeds religious racists ideology to help islam rule world=religion as motivation.
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The fuck do those numbers mean? Turkish 100mio+? Are you accusing us of having killed more than 100,000,000 people?
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100M is an overstatement, but i'd say at least somewhere between 20-50M of people have been killed or enslaved by ottomans. After the Mongolians and the Japanese, Turks were the biggest killers and slavers from Asia
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I'd say the number is in single digits. We haven't colonized our subjects and stole their riches. 20 to 50m would mean today balkan and middle east population would be below 0.
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No, you just enslaved them and took their children to fight for you (janissary corps). And 20 to 50M number would come from hundreds of years during which the Empire lasted
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Thats not true, we did not enslave nobody. We didnot steal the riches of our subjects. They could become whatever they wanted in our empire. Doctors, merchants, viziers name it. Janissary was a good idea, parents wanted to send their kids to Istanbul, balkans was very poor and sending their sons to Istanbul and get an elite education is the best they could hope for. 20 to 50M is nonsense, provide sources or don't say numbers at all.
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I agree it was a good idea from a military standpoint for the Turks to use the children of those they subjugated as their elite military fighting force.
However you make it sound like it was a willing choice that the parents of those children made. This practice was called Devşirme which was effectively a blood tax forced on the christians where families had to give up their first born son to the Ottoman empire. They were then raised as muslims and trained to fight the enemies of the empire including suppression of their own kin. It's one thing to say it's great from a military standpoint however if you think is great from a humanistic stand point then you have a seriously warped mindset.
