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Kasz216 on 27 January 2013
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Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
Soleron said:
FreeTalkLive said:
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The inner city schools are the best funded in much of the country. Often times the rural schools are the least funded. I do agree that inner city schools are way over funded. Around $25,000 per year per student in DC. Students go to school for K through 12 which is 13 years, but many are held back a year so $25,000 per student times 14 is just too much money. In many rural areas the funding is only 1/3 that amount.

Alright. I guess I don't know many specifics about the US. If funding is that high, what is it about the schools that is preventing kids from going to college?

A few problems... big two?

The teachers union and administration union is the same.   Administrators are teachers with more seniority.  So when cuts are made, teachers are cut first.  Administrators generally aren't.

Inner city areas have low parental responsibilities and a lot of acting out.  So teachers often avoid these areas, a lot of the best teachers end up teaching in private schools that actually pay LESS because there are less issues.

Essentially this is why Magnet and charter schools work so well in poorer areas.  To stay in one of those schools the parents HAVE to make an effort.  They're suddenly forced to, it makes all the difference in the world.

How you fix the schools for everybody?  I'm not sure you can.  You need to fix the parents.  Oddly enough kicking kids OUT of school and not having school mandatory might ironically lead to more people learning as parents would get more involved.

But then you would have to account for the ones that just honestly didn't give a shit, though i can see the benefits of your idea otherwise.

Would we have to though?  Afterall these are people not being accounted for anyway since they're people who likely aren't going to pass anyway and mostly just get in the way of other people learning.

The sad truth of life is that you can't account for everybody no matter how hard you try.

There will always be people who will march against their best interest.  No matter how much effort and time you spend you can't feed someone who refuses to eat handouts. 

We have a homeless problem mostly because people refuse to take advantage of the shelters, because you can't be drunk in a shelter for obvious saftey reasons.

All you can do is provide the oppurtunity and hope people take advantage of it.   Putting resources towards people who don't want those resources and won't use them only ends up bringing everyone down with no benefit.

Anyone who's had a drug addict as a friend or relative can tell you that.

 

I mean, it's galling that we're talking about kids paying the price because their parents are too irresponsible to push them, but I mean... what's the option?  Take kids from their parents because they aren't making sure they are doing their math homework?

I learned a long time ago that as much as you want to shake people into having some sense and force them into not being violently selfdestructive it's nothing but a futile effort that does nothing but cause resentment and often causes them to get farther away from sane decision making because they have someone else to blame.   Also it totally ruins your day.