Anti-secessionists: come at me, bros!

[mjk45]

Screamapillar said:

Kasz216 said:

Mr Khan said:

SwansVanTerif said:
Sorry, Mr Khan, but you seem completely indoctrinated, and that seems to cause you to be inable to objectively consider issues. That's my impression when reading this thread, plain and simple. You seem to not understand, that the only needs of the people, are the needs of the people. We have enough tools, we need thinkers, Mr. Khan.

 

The righteousness or wrongfulness of secession is all to do with what the client peoples intend to do once free. If they intend to do better things than their current rulers, it is justified. If they intend on doing worse things, not justified.

So then texas SHOULD be alowed to cede then if it wants.

Honestly though, it all depends on what you mean by "worse" or "better".  I suspect our definitions of those two words are very different from one another in this context, just as earlier in the thread when you referenced "progress".  It's highly subjective, is it not?

I'm not referring necessarily to Jim Crow laws, as they were mostly terrible.   What about property rights, though?  Better yet, who are any of us to judge what is "better" or "worse" for someone else?  Seems very presumptuous to me.  I'm a strong believer in the idea that only you know what's best yourself, and that by the same token you cannot protect people from themselves.  It's not up to us, it is up to those people.  I take umbridge with the assertion that some far-off, distant governing body gets to decide what to do with people they've likely never spent a moment with, nor have any right to make decisions about.  It's just not at all how I see the world.

You would first off have to ask your self if in Texas's case are you are happy with it's government and if it fails did you have the right to opt back in .

The trouble with MR khan is he seems to think it can be looked at on with a case by case basis with the criteria of will it be better for the people and less oppressive . the trouble with that it deals in unknowns and what the  future may bring and is subjective and alludes to some one making the decision on behalf of the people who want to secede , rather than the secessionists themselves negotiating it with the rest of the union or internationally  with whom ever your decision has a meaningful impact.