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RolStoppable said:
DanneSandin said:
RolStoppable said:.

Yes, I can see how the Wii U controller can be a barrier for casual gamers, but that shouldn't stop it selling to more core centric players - the crowed that bought PS360. But of course, I can see a whole lot of arguments why they wouldn't by it... But, if (and that's a pretty big if) Wii U gets all the 3rd party games as the future PS720 would you still deem it somewhat of a failure?

Yes, but I doubt a lot of adults played the DS... Some how I doubt the soccer moms that used the Wii Fit picked up the DS as well, so for them it would still have been a novel idea (that is, before the launch of iPad)

This is weird, because I can swear I just read in another thread that you don't believe in cannibalization... But I get what you're saying with regards of how the Japanese prefer HH.

Do you think there is something Nintendo can do to turn this bad concept around? Or do they simply have to hold out for this gen to be over and hope next time will go down better?

If the Wii U got all the third party games, then there wouldn't be much of a problem, because the Wii U would be the cheapest option to get all those third party games. That alone would lead to respectable lifetime sales, although they would maybe still fall short of the Wii total, depending on Nintendo's first party output. It certainly would be out of failure territory in that case.

America buys an enormous amount of handhelds for kids, soccer moms do have kids by definition, the DS had games like Brain Training, Tetris, NSMB and Mario Kart. It's hard to imagine that the idea of a touchscreen gaming device would be a foreign/new concept to a lot of people, simply because there were so many DSes sold and because it's clear that this handheld managed to sell to adults too.

Yes, I said I don't believe that two different games from the same series are cannibalizing each other when they are put on two different systems. If you read my post in this thread regarding consoles cannibalizing each other, you'll see that I point out that exclusive games diminish the effect of such a cannibalisation. When you apply this concept to the Western markets where home consoles are seen as superior to handhelds, then handheld consoles should suffer when they aren't able to distinguish themselves from home consoles through either exclusive games or unique features. If you look at the PSP again, while it did cut into PS3 sales in Japan, the opposite effect occured in the West, especially in America. Particularly software sales nose-dived once the 360 and PS3 gained traction. Since the Vita employs the same strategy as the PSP, it will fall into oblivion once the PS4 and Nextbox are launched. The Vita had basically only two years to prove itself in the West; Sony already wasted a year and this year doesn't look any better for them. They'll run out of time, so if the Vita manages to find success, it will only be in Japan.

As for Nintendo turning this around, it's going to be difficult with the low third party confidence we are seeing. Maybe the upcoming Nintendo Direct for Wii U third party content will be positive, but I wouldn't get my hopes up. Nintendo will have to prove the worth of their controller and they pretty much have to do it with something that doesn't fall into the category of a minigame. I am not thinking of singleplayer games here either. It's got to be a multiplayer title to really catch attention, highlighting assymmetric gameplay in a big way.

Yes, while a lot of soccer moms bought the DS for their kids and were aware of that it did have touch screen, it doesn't mean they played it themselves and would therefor not have experienced the touchscreen first hand. That's what I'm trying to say.

And regarding the cannibalization of homeconsoles/handhelds; I see what you mean, and I think you have a very good point there.

And as always, I think 3rd party support for Wii U will be rather poor... But much is due to Nintendo themselves; PS4 and xbox720 seem to have around 4-8 gig/RAM - and that's a hellovalot more than the Wii U has. Have can they expect to get 3rd party support if they're in a similar situation as last gen?? Let's just hope this doesn't turn out to be true!



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