Evidence for the existence of God

[senseinobaka]

Final-Fan said:

Final-Fan said:

Final-Fan said:

senseinobaka said:

Final-Fan said:
Question: At the end of the day, are there going to be people alive who are not Jehovah's Witnesses? You say vagabond is wrong to say "no", but your following explanation does not verify this point.

I'm not sure what you mean by "at the end of the day" so I'm gonna assume:

1)If you mean after Armegeddon, the answer is yes. You will have survivors of armegeddon and then you will have people being resurrected both righteous and unrighteous. The vast majority of those resurrected will not be Jehovah's Witnesses.

2)If you mean after everyone is resurrected and gods kingdom is over the entire earth. Then the answer is in a way no. Those who are resurrected or those who survive armegeddon that decide to follow satan will recieve second death. So that leaves only worshipers of God in god's kingdom.

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[irrelevant portion excised for space, and by the way I do appreciate that you took the time to answer both possible interpretations of my question.]

But back on topic: It's follow God or follow Satan? No middle ground? (Not surprising but just making sure.)

It's understandable that this got lost in the shuffle, considering the size and number of recent posts, but I would like a concrete answer. Based on other posts I'm certain the answer is "yes" but I would like confirmation.

Presuming the answer is in fact yes, then only those who follow God will ultimately survive.
And the only way (according to you) to successfully follow God is to be a Jehovah's Witness, correct?

But (and here's the interesting part) according to you, everyone, good or bad, no matter what their religion is/was, will get resurrected once, aside from Adam/Eve/Sodom/Gomorrah and maybe a few others. And after that everyone will choose between God and Satan and go to Paradise or final destruction accordingly.

So according to what you said in the above post, we all can do and believe whatever we want and it won't matter as long as we make the right choice in the End Times after all the dead are resurrected to make the same choice. Am I right?

Before I answer this I would like to ask you a question. If you are right, how do you personally feel about it?

 

And to answer your question. You are right. The bible says many times that Jehovah is a loving and forgiving God. It also mentions that he extends undesreved kindness. Also, there is a lengthy history of Jehovah granting multiple chances. Isreal got alot of second chances. Nineveh is a city that God had pronounced judgement on, like that of Sodom and Gomorah, but they got a second chance. Simply put if we as imperfect humans decide not to worship god, god promises a resurrection of good and bad for us to have a second chance. This second chance is also on a playing field where humans would no longer be shackled to adamic sin.

Now, I realize your next logical question would be; "Then why worship god now?" And, frankly there are many reasons. But the only reason I'll mention right now is the most important one. We worship god now out of love for god. There is another thing, I'd like to mention. This has a definate 'God is not an idiot' clause. The bible mentions God's ability to read and discern the hearts of men. Don't think for a minute that someone scheming to use gods forgiveness would succeed.

 

@Vagabond

Just a quick point. The destruction of the harlot is not the great tribulation. These are two very seperate events. Also the destruction of the harlot isnt what causes the great tribulation.

Aside from that, I believe we have exhausted meaningful debate and drifted into spinning circles. Our views are very different. You feel that at the time of Armageddon 99.9% of people would be wickedly opposing Jehovah, while I believe that far less would be opposing Jehovah. You can claim that I 'sugar coat' the topic, but at the same time you 'bitter coat' it. I realize that Revelation doesnt say much about how many would survive, but it does refer to them as a great crowd that no man was able to number. Anyway, when it comes to argument I follow a rule. When there are two extreme veiws that are both well researched then I feel that the real answer lies somewhere in the middle.

I never did get a chance to discuss your feelings on evolution and the animal kingdom. But again, I think we have a different fundamental premise. I dont see wickedness or cruelty in the way nature works. I see balance, adaptation, and the ability to survive. Predators in the wild don't treat their prey cruelly, as in, they dont over hunt, hunt for sport, or hunt for poaching.

Also, I dont get into evolution debates because they never seem to be productive or even helpful. I've come across three different feelings about the topic.

1)Fundamental Creationism: Earth and life created in 6 24-hour days

2)Big Bang/Evolution is responsible for everything with no design. There is alot of faith in random chance amoung those that believe this way. The Awake!(monthly magazine published by Jehovah's Witnesses) mentioned a study in 1997 of US scientist that showed 6/10 believe that this is the way it happened, no creator. The vast majority of scientist teach this idea.

3)Everything has intellegent design behind it. Evolution, Big Bang, Biology, Geology, Meterology, everything. The same study I mentioned earlier showed that 4/10 scientist believe this idea. I may not be a scientist, but I love science and am very educated, especially on human biology, and I cannot be convinced that there is not design.

When it comes down to it a logical debate on Evolution throws away the Fundamental idea and centers around Faith in Chance vs. Faith in Design. And both are perfectly logical conclusions.