Michael-5 said:
Tom3k said:
Michael-5 said:
It's not Anthropology, it's Biology. Homosexuality isn't genetic, it's a random mutation. Random mutations, like schizophrenea or homosexuality are not normal mutations, do not contribute to the fitness of a species, and overall are not what the species was designed for.
Homosexuality does prevent reproduction. If you're fertile, but do not have the means to procreate, then you can't procreate can you? This is no different from a man who has no penis (say because of an accident). Just because you got sperm in the sack doesn't mean you can procreate. Even if the guy forced himself to procreate, there is still a mental barrier which reduces reproductive success.
How is homosexuality not a disorder? Is schizophrenea not a disorder? They are both random mutations which result in abnormal behaviours in the brain.
Out of all the animals in the world, only one species has an issue with bi polar, rape, schizophrenea, etc. Just because it happens naturally, doesn't mean it's normal. Rape is natural, schizophrenea is natural, and has a biological source like homosexuality. Are you going to argue those things are normal? We should accept rape and crazy's, and not treat them?
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I don't see a point in arguing with you, because you simply don't understand the concepts that you use in first place...
In your 1st line you state "Homosexuality isn't genetic, it's a random mutation". Could you please make up your mind? The definition of "mutation" is infreaquent, unrepaired mistakes that occur in the DNA replication process and lead to changes in nucleotide sequences of DNA thus changing the instructions for some cellular components (That's from Lehninger Principles of Biochemistry, 4th edition btw). Just so you know genes are nucleotide sequences within DNA. And Genetics is the study of those genes. So saying that something isn't genetic, but it occurs because of changes in it's gene(s), while previously stating that there ins't such thing as gay gene... Gosh... You are a confused one...
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LOL I don't make sense. You're claiming that homosexuals do not have a reduction in fitness because they still have viable sperm to procreate with. However without the mechanism, or a motivation to use it, this results in the same reduction of fitness. Simple as that.
Randon mutations are not genetic traits. Homosexuality isn't inhertitable, like genes are. There is a huge difference. First of all errors in DNA replication are repairable, there have been significant advances in serching for cures for autism because of gene manipulative therapy. Second not all Random mutations occur in the DNA replication period. Mutations can occur during pregnancy, and many can be caused by environment. We don't know for certain where the mutations occur which cause homosexuality.
This is basic biology. Now if you're going to insult me, and claim I don't understand what I'm talking about, look up some introductory biology terms, such as fitness, and heridability.
You claim homosexuality does not have a cost to fitness, and that random muations leading to homosexuality return new genes (you claim there is a gay gene). This would mean that if homosexuality were a gene, it would be inheritable, but this isn't true, it mutates the genes you already have.
Everything you're saying is just plain wrong. It's getting funny.
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Unbelievable... You obviously can't grasp the fact that homosexuals are as viable to reproduce as any other human being and that they as fact reproduce. Not just within human population, just to make things clear. "Gay" animals reproduce as well. What mechanism? It's obviously that homosexuals aren't going to reproduce with each other... Motivation? As long as society looks on homosexuality in same way as you do, many of homosexuals will have a damn good MOTIVATION to stay in their tiny little closets, with fake lives and reproduce. And what you seriously think that poeple simply because they are gay don't want to have offspring?
Actually as recent studies have shown that "sexually antagonistic" epi-marks, sometimes carryover across generations and cause homosexuality in opposite-sex offspring.
"First of all errors in DNA replication are repairable" And you think I need to insult you? You do that just fine on your own... NOT ALL errors are repaired. What do you think how evolution works? You think that DNA Polymerase is flawless, or that DNA repairs are foolproof? Get real...
I claim? Read the things you write. Because you obviously don't read those that I write. You CLAIM that reason for homosexuality is a "random mutation" obviously of genom since it can't be of anything else. Since 5% of population is gay wouldn't it be logical that this "random" (whatever that means) mutations should be OBSERVED among all homosexuals? 5% of population is a huge chuck and those so called "random mutations" should be observed if they happened. I have a bit problem with "random" though... Because this is kinda untrue... Since we assume that all mutations in genom occur with equal probability. Which is btw plain wrong, since we know that some occur more than others because they are "favored" by low-level biochemical reactions.
I for one don't claim that things you attach with me... On other hand you do. Everytime you use "term" random mutations, you claim the existence of gay genes. Or do you really think that if 5% of population is gay, they all have "different" muations? Whish is btw surreal... But also following your logic, if reason behind being gay are those yours random mutations, than being gay would be inheritable. Since each time a gay person would reproduce (which once again they do) would pass on his "genetic mutation".
