Michael-5 said:
Cub said:
Michael-5 said:
Do you not wish for there to be a cure for homosexualism? Do you not have sympathy for those who are homosexuals, but wish to be heterosexual?
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No, I don't. I don't have more sympathy for them more than I have for someone who thinks he has a big nose and who wishes to get a plastic surgery.
I was one of the ego dystonic homosexuals. Did I want a cure? BADLY, I praid for one everyday, I collected money to visit psychiatrist and took excessive anti depressant doses (they prescribe SSRIs for homosexuals in the middle east, why? no idea, probably cuz they these drugs make you worry about other shit than where your dick is gonna go).
Why did I hate myself? because Islam told me homosexuality was wrong. All I had to do was reading and realising and learning and I am happy with who I am now and the way I life my life. Ego dystonic homosexual should get over themselves the way I did.
I sympathasize with ego dystonic homosexuals the way I sympathasize with people who wants a prettier face when they obviously don't need one. I try to help them and make them realise that they're beautiful.
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This isn't the same thing, people who have big noses come from a family with big noses, it's genetic. Homosexuality occurs randomly, like many disorders or genetic diseases/mutations.
If a child was born with down syndrome, would you be against a drug which fixed this?
If someone were born with a low sperm count, or had very few fertile eggs, would you be against In Vitro firtilization?
If someone were born with a hermaphedite, would you not want to make them normal again?
Even just someone with a limp, if you were born with a deformed femur, would you be against surgury to fix this?
This isn't a matter of self improvement. Curing homosexuality isn't done for cosmetic reasons. You can live with it fine, just like a down syndrome kid, or a heterosexual with reproduction issues, or a hermaphedite, or a person with a limp can live fine. However not everyone wants to live with a disorder like that.
Cub said:
Michael-5 said:
Yea, I just realized I've been typing DSG, even though I wrote out what DSM statds for lol.
Actually Homosexuality does still classify a disorder. Just not a psycopathic disorder because it lack 1/4 D's (Dangerous). It does fit the other 3 (Deviance, Distress, and Disfunction).
Also there are cures for homosexuality, they are just crap. However there was no cure for schitzophenia 300 years ago, does that mean it's not a disorder?
Homosexuality occurs randomly in the population, there is no gay gene, and this is not a cognative decision made by individuals. You don't become gay because your dad hit you as a kid and you don't trust men anymore. Instead it's believed to be an error which occurs in the copying of genes, similar to schitzophenia.
Mutations are a normal part of evolution. Without them, people don't evolve. Homosexuality is a common mutation, which is determental to the fitness of a species. You could argue all day, do we classify it as a disorder like many brain disorders, or as adefect like Down Syndrome, or do we just leave it as a common mutation, like being albino?
Either way it's not normal, and it reduces fitness (homosexuals cannot reproduce). Homosexuals cannot choose to be heterosexuals, and even with treatment it's difficult to force an individual to do so.
That said, I see nothing wrong with people being gay. It's a non dangerous disorder, it's not their fault. We accept people with down syndrome, why not gays? It's a defect/disorder/mutation which doesn't affect the cognative abilities of an individual, except higher instances of depression (but who wouldn't be when everyone hates you), so there is no reason why we should stop gays from marriage.
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So I assume you are against people with Obsessive compulsive , avoidant , dependent etc disorders?
You do know that lots of these personalities disorders are controversial and for all we know years from now they will not be labeled disorders anymore?
So what if someone's obsessed with the way things are done? "let's change him and normalize his behaviour" is really not the answer to these "disorders". There is nothing wrong with schizoidal people, they don't want a social a life? horray for them , people are stupid anyway.
Also, what if they really do find a cure for homosexuality years from now, you are gonna make your son take it for the rest of his life? You obviously have some clinical experience, have you not witnessed the dangerous adverse effect that, for example, antipsychotic drugs have? am I really better off with these drugs just so I can reproduce? I mean, some of the addverse effects aren't even reversible. How is a drug going to change your stance on gay marriage, I don't get it.....
Also, no! homosexuality isn't believed to be the result copying genes the wrong way or whatever you are trying to say. The cause? unknown, that's the best that can be said about it.
Is it a gentic mutation ? possibly. Is that a bad thing? no, not always. Infertile people are actually SOMETIMES infertile for a reason, I'll expand on that later when I re-read about the subject but in a nutshell interfering with "mother nature" and "force" reproduction of infertile people can result in a blood line that has defective genes that weren't supposed to be passed...
We need to stop spreading the false misconception that "reproduction" is the only "right" thing to our species.
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You just said schizophenea is acceptable, just take a read at what you're saying. Look, reading your comments I can see you might be a homosexual, so you clearly have a strong view pro-homosexuality. I don't hate gay people, and I got my degree in Astrophysics, I like to take things for the way they are. There are misconceptions about homosexuality, it was removed from the DSM-III due to political pressure and hate crimes against homosexuals, but there is no gay gene. It's not something we evolved genetically, it's not a lifestyle choice, it's not something we become (like alcoholics), it's a defect. It's something outside of the control of the individuals.
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