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Cub on 18 January 2013
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Michael-5 said:
Cub said:
Michael-5 said:
 

First of all the DSG doesn't classify what isn't a disorder, only what is. DSG IV I think removed homosexuality as a disorder, but not because of evidence showing that it isn't a disorder, but because of political pressure.

That said, Gay marriage is fine. We have no cure for homosexuality.


First of all, it's DSM not DSG. Second of all, fine, but it does classify what is a disorder. Finally, no cure needed because it clearly states that homosexuality isn't a pathology, only pathologies need cure.

Political pressure or not, I don't care. They've done what is right.

Yea, I just realized I've been typing DSG, even though I wrote out what DSM statds for lol.

Actually Homosexuality does still classify a disorder. Just not a psycopathic disorder because it lack 1/4 D's (Dangerous). It does fit the other 3 (Deviance, Distress, and Disfunction).

Also there are cures for homosexuality, they are just crap. However there was no cure for schitzophenia 300 years ago, does that mean it's not a disorder?

Homosexuality occurs randomly in the population, there is no gay gene, and this is not a cognative decision made by individuals. You don't become gay because your dad hit you as a kid and you don't trust men anymore. Instead it's believed to be an error which occurs in the copying of genes, similar to schitzophenia.

Mutations are a normal part of evolution. Without them, people don't evolve. Homosexuality is a common mutation, which is determental to the fitness of a species. You could argue all day, do we classify it as a disorder like many brain disorders, or as adefect like Down Syndrome, or do we just leave it as a common mutation, like being albino?

Either way it's not normal, and it reduces fitness (homosexuals cannot reproduce). Homosexuals cannot choose to be heterosexuals, and even with treatment it's difficult to force an individual to do so.

That said, I see nothing wrong with people being gay. It's a non dangerous disorder, it's not their fault. We accept people with down syndrome, why not gays? It's a defect/disorder/mutation which doesn't affect the cognative abilities of an individual, except higher instances of depression (but who wouldn't be when everyone hates you), so there is no reason why we should stop gays from marriage.

So I assume you are against people with Obsessive compulsive , avoidant , dependent etc disorders? 

You do know that lots of these personalities disorders are controversial and for all we know years from now they will not be labeled disorders anymore?

So what if someone's obsessed with the way things are done? "let's change him and normalize his behaviour" is really not the answer to these "disorders". There is nothing wrong with schizoidal people, they don't want a social a life? horray for them , people are stupid anyway.

Also, what if they really do find a cure for homosexuality years from now, you are gonna make your son take it for the rest of his life? You obviously have some clinical experience, have you not witnessed the dangerous adverse effect that, for example, antipsychotic drugs have? am I really better off with these drugs just so I can reproduce? I mean, some of the addverse effects aren't even reversible. How is a drug going to change your stance on gay marriage, I don't get it.....

Also, no! homosexuality isn't believed to be the result copying genes the wrong way or whatever you are trying to say. The cause? unknown, that's the best that can be said about it.

Is it a gentic mutation ? possibly. Is that a bad thing? no, not always. Infertile people are actually SOMETIMES infertile for a reason, I'll expand on that later when I re-read about the subject but in a nutshell interfering with "mother nature" and "force" reproduction of infertile people can result in a blood line that has defective genes that weren't supposed to be passed...

We need to stop spreading the false misconception that "reproduction" is the only "right" thing to our species.