| timmah said: I have explained, in detail, multiple times how your use of the word Bigot was not correct in this instance in my opinion. If you don't realize that this was done, I literally have no words. Even if you don't agree with what I've said, it's pretty clear I addressed why I thought parental guidence on moral issues cannot be equated to bigotry. My response to his 'guarantee' statement is that it may be naive (because you can never guarantee your child's actions), but is not bigotry in and of itself. Teaching one's children to look down on other groups, treat other groups differently, or that other groups are somehow 'bad' (which is not what I will ever do with my children though I'm can't speak for others) would be bigotry. Teaching one's Children not to do certain things in their own personal life cannot in any sense of the word be bigotry, it would only be bigotry towards the child if you in turn treated your child badly if they acted against your wishes anyway, something I would not do. Stating a Guarantee that your child will not do a specific action is merely naive and/or foolish, but not bigotry by the definition of the word. You're certainly passionate (I respect your passion, even if I disagree with you), but you blatently cross the line instead of having a meaningful discussion. I don't like the word Bigot, and I do believe you misuse that word to insult and intimidate people. You'd rather silence people you oppose by saying those people are bigots (a very demeaning term), insulting their intelligence by calling them things like lemmings, talking about 'grade school' reasoning, bringing up Hitler when referring to my moral beliefs, and using a myriad of antagonistic tactics to bully people into shutting up. If you disagree with me on that, look back at your post where you suggested I should shut my mouth, there's a ton of other great bully tactics in that particular post as well. I can't grasp how you can attack others for supposedly not being 'tolerant', when you yourself exhibit a clear lack of tolerance of anybody who disagrees with you. |
There is a difference between your opinion and actual DEFINITION of the word bigot. I've already posted HOW my usage of the word is logically sound, through use of intolerance through parental authority. You cannot expect to say "Well it's my opinion" and expect it to hold water against the actual definition of the word. Once again, everyone has beliefs, but the ramifications of broadcasting or enacting on some beliefs is bigotry, INCLUDING intolerance through parental authority. Take for example:
http://www.newser.com/story/160528/alabama-teen-nabbed-in-high-school-bomb-plot.html
Say that this teen's hatred for blacks and gays came from the teaching of the parent's "morals" to the child. By your argumentation, the parent was completely right and justified to develop a wall in this child's mind and to develop feelings of hate and intolerance into a young, growing mind. In other words, the child LEARNED intolerance because of the authoritarial position of the parents. This is why intolerance through authority is INCLUDED in the definition of bigotry.
There's a difference between my intolerance and intolerance through parental authority, and that difference is, in this argument, I hold no authority over you, so my persuasions have to be achieved logically. My anger comes when you choose to ignore such logic and go on with ramblings of "it's my opinion", and "well I'm more calm", like they're some kind of sound logic reasoning of their own. For god's sake, if you're going to reply to a post with logical reasoning, don't just post opinion to combat logic. You have provided NOTHING in terms of argument ever since I posted the definition of bigotry and intolerance. Once again, "YOUR OPINION" DOES NOT IMPLY "LOGIC REASONING". Look up Logical Implication before you even comprehend the last sentence.
If you read back from the beginning of the thread, you'll see every attack I've made was justifiably given. As I've argued, and PROVEN anlready, I used the correct definition of the word "bigot" when necessary. You were called a Lemming after your EXACT SAME agument that you provided as a previous poster. In other words, you followed him off the cliff (read up the urban legend about Lemming cliff behavior if you still do not get it). Your reasoning WAS 'grade school' quality, as I mentioned above. You're using opinion to combat logic, and it's not sound. For instance, you're accusing me of "trying make my opinion as fact". Can you show me where I've expressed that any of these words are "my opinion"? For all you know, I could be playing Devil's Advocate here. You, on the other hand, have expressed a few times that "it's your opinion". It's true, it's your opinion, and if you don't like it being questioned or totally destroyed by logical reasoning, then I suggest that you keep it to yourself (hence my previous post to KINDLY do so, which is the vital part of that sentence in that previous post that you missed. It was a suggestion in the nicest possible intentions). Once again, answer with some ACTUAL logic, and you'll find that my demeanor changes. You can't expect to treat me with opression through illogical argumentation and NOT expect me to be offended by it.
