It is not the Wii U that has mildly failed, it is Mario

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kain_kusanagi said:

Well let's just see what happens then. If your right NSMB U and NSMB 2 will grow and end up selling as much as NSMB and NSMB W. If I'm right NSMB U and NSMB 2 will slow and be eclipsed by the next big 3D Mario game we are all waiting for.

I personaly am waiting for a 3D Mario or Zelda or Metroid before jumping on the Wii U train. NSMB U is far, FAR too much like the ones I've already played for me to spend $400 - $450 on a console with nothing else I'm interested in. I like 2D Mario games, but I have enough of them right now. I think consumers in general have enough 2D Mario to go around and don't need another one. But an HD 3D Mario could turn some heads, a lot of heads.

I'm not proposing a bet, I don't bet, but we will see who is right in the comming years. The Wii U doesn't have clueless soccer moms and grandparents to trick into buying it like the Wii did. It has to convince real gamers, both casual and hardcore than the Wii U has games they want to play. As a real gamer and a long time Nintendo fan I'm waiting for the good stuff and I think a lot of gamers feel the way I do.

Fair enough. We'll see what happens; I'm glad you didn't suggest a bet because I'm not sufficiently confident to take it, anyway, :P.

Your "clueless soccer moms and grandparents" comment seems to show that your argument stems from emotion and not analysis, though. Since you evidently don't find the Wii U appealing, you either don't want other people to find it appealing or think that everyone thinks like you (and those who don't are clueless morons).

They really don't, though. While Wii's audience wasn't the traditional 10-20-year-old male audience, you're being unnecessarily belittling by saying that its new audience was a bunch clueless people who were tricked into buying it. If people didn't willfully buy and then enjoy the Wii, its word-of-mouth wouldn't have been so strong and it never would have become so popular. The fact that you're trying to deny and make excuses for this shows that you're really unnecessarily emotionally invested in this and that you're making these predictions against NSMB not so much because you think they are likely to happen, but rather because you want them to.

...looks like I'm venturing far too off-topic here. I guess we'll just keep an eye on how things pan out for NSMB2/U, huh? ;)