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timmah on 14 January 2013
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fordy said:
timmah said:

Your lack of understanding on simple concepts is really quite comical, I actually laughed out loud when I read your reply. If I teach my kids that it's wrong for them to have sex before they get married, that's not by definition bigotry against people who have sex outside of marriage in any sense of the word, it's simply me teaching them right from wrong. If I teach them that it's wrong to use curse words, that's not bigotry against people who use curse words. If I teach my kids not to eat too much candy, it's not bigotry against people who eat too much candy. By your asinine definition, it would literally be bigotry to teach my kids anything at all related to behavior. Your insane logical leap is beyond reason.


Your lack of logic and reasoning is just as comical. For instance, not ALL reasoning for abstaining from sex does not point to having sex outside of marriage; there are many other factors, but since you decide to cherry pick, if your kids go against your wishes and DO have sex, what would your level of toleration be? In other words, if you come on here saying, "I guarantee my kids wont be having sex outside of marriage", then yes, that is bigotry too, because it displays a degree of intolerance in your position of authority.

And once again you're resoring to cyclic arguments. I've told you before, the difference between things like swearing and eating too much, and things with NO logical consequence, like homosexuality, is that the first group consists of things that cause harm to themselves or others, therefore, group A is justified. Group B is only justified by your own beliefs, and can be regarded as unethical parental practice.

I'm going to keep pushing this, because your initial post criticised my misuse of the word 'bigot', so why aren't you addressing this? Explain to me once again, HOW is my justification of bigotry misused? I have asked this 3 times now, and you've decided to ignore it altogether.

I have explained, in detail, multiple times how your use of the word Bigot was not correct in this instance in my opinion. If you don't realize that this was done, I literally have no words.  Even if you don't agree with what I've said, it's pretty clear I addressed why I thought parental guidence on moral issues cannot be equated to bigotry. My response to his 'guarantee' statement is that it may be naive (because you can never guarantee your child's actions), but is not bigotry in and of itself. Teaching one's children to look down on other groups, treat other groups differently, or that other groups are somehow 'bad' (which is not what I will ever do with my children though I'm can't speak for others) would be bigotry. Teaching one's Children not to do certain things in their own personal life cannot in any sense of the word be bigotry, it would only be bigotry towards the child if you in turn treated your child badly if they acted against your wishes anyway, something I would not do. Stating a Guarantee that your child will not do a specific action is merely naive and/or foolish, but not bigotry by the definition of the word.

You're certainly passionate (I respect your passion, even if I disagree with you), but you blatently cross the line instead of having a meaningful discussion. I don't like the word Bigot, and I do believe you misuse that word to insult and intimidate people. You'd rather silence people you oppose by saying those people are bigots (a very demeaning term), insulting their intelligence by calling them things like lemmings, talking about 'grade school' reasoning, bringing up Hitler when referring to my moral beliefs, and using a myriad of antagonistic tactics to bully people into shutting up. If you disagree with me on that, look back at your post where you suggested I should shut my mouth, there's a ton of other great bully tactics in that particular post as well. I can't grasp how you can attack others for supposedly not being 'tolerant', when you yourself exhibit a clear lack of tolerance of anybody who disagrees with you.