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kaneada said:
Fifaguy360 said:
kaneada said:
Fifaguy360 said:
The poll is wrong. It assumes Fate and choice are separate from each other.


How, in your estimation, are fate and choice not mutually exclusive?


Doesn't require estimation. Just think about it.

Fate is a collection of choices in a time frame known prior to their happening. The fact that they (the choices) are known doesn't prevent them from being independant nor free.

Intersting perspective...two assumptions I question:

A) Time exists and is, in and of itself, a real thing.

B) That all choices are known to something or someone making all possible outcomes predicatable.

Neither of those things can be possible without making the assumptions that they exist and then defining those assumptions to highly descriminative criteria where they would loose context, leading me to assumption C:

C) A choice is not a choice if it is known to someone or something, that outcome is absolute through influence of that someone or something, and can't be changed due to the the knowlege and influence of that someone or something. This makes choice an illusion and therefore not real, making both fate and choice mutually exlcusive concepts. 

A) Time does exist. It is an obserable phenomenon.

B) It doesn't matter if all choices are known to someone or not. You still will perform a string of choices from now until 10 minutes later (unless you died). You don't know what those choices will be until you choose to do them.

C) "A choice is not a choice if it is known to someone or something". False. Knowing something will happen is not the same as forcing that something to happen. Example: Someone knew you were going to respond to my message in these exact words. Was your choice an illusion? Did you want to make it out of your own volition? Or were you forced?