fordy said:
timmah said:
fordy said:
timmah said:
I don't understand why some people automatically assume that if you disagree with somebody's actions or lifestyle, you're automatically a bigot, this makes no sense. I personally think it's wrong to sleep around, but I have close friends who do and I'm not bigoted towards them, it's their choice and not my place to judge them. If they came to me asking for advice, I'd give it to them straight, but that doesn't mean I hate them, judge them, dislike them, am bigoted towards them, or anything else like that. It's very possible to disagree with somebody's personal choices without being a 'bigot', and unfortunately that term gets thrown around way too often to degrade other people's opinions. I even worked with (and was good friends with) an openly gay man for a few years. I never saw it as my duty to judge him or tell him my opinion about his actions, because they are HIS actions and aren't hurting anybody else, so why should I care what he does at home? We even had a couple good discussions about gay marriage and he agreed with me about civil unions.
That's why, while a don't personally believe that homosexual acts are 'ok', the same way I don't think sleeping around is 'ok', or that watching porn is 'ok' (which DOES NOT make me bigoted against people who do those things), I don't think it's right to deny people rights based on that, which is why I believe we should have civil unions with same or similar legal benefits to marriage. Also, if a same-sex couple wants a ceremony, there are plenty of ministers out there who will do that. |
Technically, bigotry is a mindset towards another group (definition. Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot, defined by Merriam-Webster as "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices). However, if you're referring to my posts, you'll see that I only refer to people with intentions to act upon said prejudice (eg. Ensuring their child will not be gay, which would involve at least some degree of going out of your way to achieve it). Bigotry by thought is near impossible to guage, since everyone has such thoughts, whether they're just mere flashing thoughts or ones that remain embedded in their mindset for life.
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You missed the meaning of an important key word and left out the second part of the definition: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance".
Specifically, the person you were referring to stated that he treats everyone with decency and respect, regardless of their sexual orientation, so he therefore is not a bigot. He may disagree with actions of certain people, but if he treats them with respect, and is not exhibiting hatred or intolerance (one can disagree with somebody and still be tolarant, in fact, you can only be 'tolerant' of people you do disagree with), he is not a bigot. You have no reason to believe he treats anybody with intolerance or bigotry in his life, none. Leave emotionally charged insulting words like bigotry out of it if you want to have a meaningful discussion.
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Read my post that you replied to once again....
He stated a desire, a guarantee that his child would not be gay. That requires at least some degree of effort to work towards a bigoted agenda. Hence, bigotry.
Now before you reply again, I suggest that you read the entire thread, especially by the one who has already stated this, instead of following him into the pit like some kind of lemming...
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