Michael-5 said:
sc94597 said:
Michael-5 said:
sc94597 said:
In that case, Toronto is yours to do with how you wish and my land how I (and my fellow people) wish. In the United States a handgun ban would devastate the elderly (who can't hold rifles or shotgun for whichever reason) and the weak (who would be harmed by the recoil.) These are the most vulnerable people to criminals. Furthermore, concealed carry deters criminals. Hence, I would not support any type of gun prohibition in Pennsylvania, as there is no significant data that verifies a correlation between homicides and gun prohibition for all contexts. Nicely, my state legislators and representatives agree, as do the majority of fellow Pennsylvanians. As for gun control, as long as it's reasonable and effective, it's welcomed otherwise why waste one's time, tax dollars, and privacy on it?
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Second, a rifle is not the only method of defence for the old and weak, taser guns are just as effective, lighter, non lethal, and have less recoil.
Also, your last sentence agrees with me. If gun control is reasonale and effective (Ban handguns, guns most often used to kill, not all guns) then this is reasonable and effective.
Finally, damn you guys need to teach each other morals. It's not okay to hurt or steal. Old people shouldn't have to carry a gun around for "protection." That's just sad if you ask me. Pennsylvania is just across Lake Erie from us, why are homicide rates so high?
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@ second Seriously? In a country with over 300 million guns, many of which are already on the black market and in the event of prohibition will be on the black market, you'll use a taser on a guy? Especially when it has happened that tasers can be non-effective against bigger individuals?
@ "last sentence agrees with me" Prohibition is not reasonable and will LEAD to crime. It happened in the 20's, with alcohol, it is happening now with the "war on drugs" it will happen with guns.
@ I'm sorry, but if you subtract Philadelphia, Pennsylvania has a homicide rate of 1.8 (half of Toronto's), and a much lower criminalization rate. My county, which is below-income, has a homicide rate of .8 (a fourth of toronto's) albeit a high drug crime rate. Most people own weapons. Please don't talk about what you don't know, and certainly morals aren't being taught in most places of the world, particularly urban areas. Old people should carry guns, because they have been using them since they were five years old. They're comfortable with guns and they know how to use them for self-defense. Guns have saved the lifes of hundreds of elderly and weak in this year alone.
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Second - Um.. Yes. Wow really, you'd rather blow someones head off then knock them out? Different world Southern USA then Canada. Maybe people here are smaller? lol
@Ban - Guns aren't something people want for leisure time. Like you said, you own two guns, but never used them before. You probably brought them to a shooting range a few times, but how often you you use them? People consume alcohol as if it were a part of their lives. People drink to be happy, just like others watch TV, or play sports. I'm 100% fine with having guns at a shooting range for recreational use, but you don't use it in every day culture like you do alcohol.
Banning guns would not have the same effect as prohibition, and the war on drugs isn't as much of an issue here in Canada as it is the USA, people are taught in schools why drugs are bad, people are taught better morals here.
As for Homicides rates, the numbers your wuoting are a complete lie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Toronto ; http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/pacrime.htm
Toronto's homicide rate is 3.3/100,000. Pennsylvania is 5/100,000 (Not 1.8). Other US cities, not far from Toronto have significantly higher homicide rates (Detroit is 33.8/100,000 for example).
Old people should carry gun...wow, things are different in the USA.
Also for the tenth time I didn't say handguns are the only, or prime reason why homicide rates are high. I just said that banning them would probably reduce them and there really is no reason why anyone should carry a portable man killer like that. You can't kill people when they are stealing from you, it may be self defence, but it's still murder. This is an example of how morals are not being taught where you're located.
We also did agree, most of the reasons are probably psychological, social, racial, etc. However Psychological issues among individuals are random genetic mutations, no one country will have more psycho's then others, and Toronto is probably more multiculteral then most cities in North America. So why are homicide rates here so much lower? We have better institutions to identify and help those with mental illnesses and addiction, better morals (you don't kill people unless your own life is in danger), better drug control, higher restrictions on alcohol use (nothing above 40% is sold in Ontario), etc, etc.
All I'm arguing is there is no reason to have handguns illegal, and I'm shocked that anyone is questioning that. Target practice? Really? That was one of your first reasons for owning a gun, along with "because I can." That's just being ignorant.
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