This is why I don't like debating religion

[mimzy]

Marucha said:

mimzy said:
Personally I will not debate religion any more. I wise person once told me that you should not lower yourself to the same level as someone else that is arguing with you. If their logic and faith is already flawed then there is no way you can change their closed mind. However if someone is religion and has reason then they will usually figure it out on their own. At least that is how I found out. I ask questions and I will not take just one answer on blind faith. These are just my opinions so if you do not agree do not argue with me as everyone is entitled to their own.

I was about to take your comment seriously and defend you wholeheartedly, but quickly realized you only have 7 posts... in the past 8 hours... your posts seem oddly trollish... like not very authentic. If I am wrong, then welcome to the forum, I obviously could be. However, I have to call to question your validity... halfgram too...

 

In the future, if you are really a troll, you might want to try putting on an avatar. It makes you look more authentic. And a signature might help too. Amusement aside...

happydolphin said:

Marucha said:
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The "..." are parts that I agree with. I agree with your criticism of dsgrue, I am so upset at that guy.

As for having an agenda. How? When I'm getting called a troll for asking questions, you bet I'm going to say that I was right to start with. Some people are on such high ground I feel like my only option is to fight with equal strength when I have the upper hand. This isn't about an agenda, it's about my ego being constantly bashed. You need to understand that. I may be taking the wrong approach to my problem, but you have to understand that the root of the problem was hostile behavior from dsgrue from the start. Runa also jumped in early on and jumped out quickly so as to avoid a ban but he was also quick to reject my ideas simply because they went against his viewpoint, without even considering them. And that's why I had to insist that I was right in the first place, because time and time again they will dismiss my concerns simply because I am not an atheist. It's to make a point, I don't have an agenda I'm just pretty frustrated with their attitudes tbh. I don't think that's such an unfair emotion imho.

As for people getting angry because others are arguing scientific viewpoints with religion. Where did I, the main player on the creationist camp, do that? All my points were based on logic and pragmatic issues I saw with a scientific theory (evolution). I was always working on the grounds of my understanding of genetics.

The attitudes of these people was ill-founded from the get-go.

I can appreciate that dsgrue tried to maintain self-control, but he still has a LOT more work to do. If people want to help the atheistic cause, they may want to be a little more respectful of people. People don't like to learn when they are treated as morons. Trust me, I really know.

Oh, I didn't mean to say you having an agenda was like a bad thing. Everyone has them in one way or another. Me included.

For me, I couldn't sit quietly (and morally it's wrong as well) to watch basically most everyone else with any common sense cower from pointing out the obvious, in front of what was obviously some atheist folk who decided they would choose you as their sacrificial lamb for their intellectual self-gratification.... in all seriousness, I don't mind the discussion. I read some of the links that were posted, it was interesting retouching on some stuff... however, I've done science class before. In fact, took Astronomy and Geology which covers a lot about the origin of some things... I still keep both textbooks because they are my favorite topics.

I don't think there is a high intelligence requirement for just having a basic discussion. However, reading this thread... you would think unless you were Jesus on a platter, nobody would take you seriously for anything you decided to ponder. It's OK to not be on the same wavelength as others and view the world differently... if you needed permission... if your ego feels compelled to stay here and put up with this sort of abuse, then you have bigger problems than whether or not people disagree with you. I say that in a mean-welling way, like I said with dsgrue... Personally, I think either share your point, ignore the rest and then walk away and let them have their intellectual banter-y... they seem to enjoy it. Or just stay and enjoy the discussion to the point... that it is no longer interesting or constructive anymore... because it just stays in circles. If I personally wanted to look up science information and be informed, I would look up journal articles and involve myself in every angle of the topic. It's not the same to argue with someone on the internet who has an agenda or thin skin... it's different if you are talking to someone who is just as passionate about information and possibilities as you. One of the other people I talked to in this thread shared a book with me, which I appreciated.

Atheists don't like being preached to. But apparently it's OK if they do it. Personally, I like being talked to like an equal... not talked to like some pile of crap on the floor who dares to dream to be upgraded from the tiolet bowl of ignorance to the holy tiolet talisman of wisdom and truth. Either way, you still remain dependent on those others for your view on life and self esteem... and obviously that's not what we've evolved to be, mindless slaves.

Player1x3 said:

Marucha said:

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Why are you so surprised ? dsgrue3 is about the same as 90% of atheists i've met on this forum and internet altogether. If you think this forum is bad, you should see reddit and 9gag where the slightest mention of religion (Christianity) will get your forum inbox spamfucked to oblivion. Internet warrior atheists are usually even more ignorant, dogmatic, and fanatical about their chosen spiritual path than they claim Muslims, Christians, Hindoos or Jews to be. They use science as their excuse for said dogmatism, and, unfortunately, some of them truly believe their own bullshit in this regard.

I think you are right. However, I think it's more a symptom of anti-social behavior being more or less prevalent on the internet. With anonymity, people don't have to acknowledge and grow past their past existance, they can live life here like they can avoid their errors and the things about their core they dislike the most.. except of course unless they make the same flaws and misjudgements obvious in front of a whole forum of people. It gives people a sense of self-empowerment that is false... so their scope of argument and discussion is obviously going to be much larger than what they can usually handle in real life.

In real life, people would not put up with what are obnoxiously obvious bully tactics and stealth slander aimed at bringing you to their level... they would just simply walk away. The ones that are willing to go through it are usually people with skin in the game... like some emotional vulnerability involved there. For me, I have peace with my values and beliefs, so I don't feel a need to question them... or force them... if someone asks me why I come to the beliefs I did (personally, not in some malignant discussion), I would gladly tell them where my viewpoints come from. However, having that type of honest discussion is not generally possible in a naturally dishonest environment...

 

Anyway, I am done here. I burn out on toxicity easily...

The reason I posted as a contridiciton was to show that is how I actually view religions. I think they are contridictions.

p.s. I am not trolling I just started the account here have not thought of an avatar/sig that I would like to use yet.