Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
totalwar23 said:
Kasz216 said:
totalwar23 said:
^Oh yeah, what's your definition of God-because if God can defy the natural laws-then he's supernatural, hence the term super. |
The guy who created our universe. If we believe in this logically likely computer god... He could defy our "natural" laws because he created them. Via his computer.
That would be "supernatural" to us. But in reality he is just operating outside of our reality... while also able to affect our reality.
Which is far as I know is how just about every religion see's there god. |
Oh, the computer argument. Well, that's fine.
But that just opens more questions. Why is there only person? Why is it not an entire race outside our reality, our universe? Why couldn't it be a project simulation run by thousands of their scientists? What makes them Godly? As far as i know, a lot of religions see the gods as wise and powerful creatures that will aid them with their troubles if they pray enough. If this is indeed a computer simulation, then all of the religions are really for naught. Okay, now I haven't the time to scroll through this entire thread so I don't know what's been said nor do I actually care that much. That being said, this is moot. |
They created everything.
If thousands of sceintists created this world, i'd say they were all "gods" with the head god being the head of the project. Kinda like a Monotheism.
If this is a computer simulation, the religions may be for naught... or the researchers... or even some bored 17 year old who uses this world as Sim God and could answer peoples prayers, or cause them torment. Much how one of us might intentionally cause a tornado to our Sim City town.
This unvierse might be someones cell phone game for all we know. Or a RTS game where everyone created their own religion and now they're trying to see who wins. Who knows.
That's really unimportant.
Heck we could be a cellphone game, of a virtual person who is part of a universe that's a hand held game, that's a cellphone game or a reality thats an MMORPG.
Who knows. Even if another fake virtual person created this universe. I'd think he would in fact be god. |
OK, for starters "monotheism" means ONE god, not lots of gods with one in charge. Come on.
Next, I don't think your example makes sense. Etiher you look at it from our perspective -- in which case you have said they are supernatural -- or you look at it from their perspective -- in which case they are ordinary people, not gods.
The point is that I would say that the definition of a "god" includes not being held to the same natural laws that we mortals are subject to, which is by definition supernatural. How does your definition differ? |
Yeah i meant Polytheism. I blame Civ 4. Polytheism used to be usefull because for some reason it gave you Elphant units... but the whole early religion thing never seems worth it. I don't even think it's a researchable civ in 4. Making Monotheism the first one sometimes causing me to slip up.
Sounds wierd but that's how my brain is wired. For example my friend's birthday is 10 days away from mine. So instead of it being February 12th, i tend to think it's February 10th in my mind if i don't think about it for a second first.
Really I just don't get your point that if our world was a comuter program that created that person wouldn't be supernatural.
They would be supernatural to us... but not to them.
If got exists... i'd guess he wouldn't be supernatural to himself... and would know how he does what he does. I don't see how this is any different.
In other words God is supernatural to us. But I wouldn't say he was inherently supernatural. Supernatural is basically just a word we use for "something we don't have a firm grip on."
Were someone to prove that god created everything and be able to show how he did it. Through say... a Math problem or some expierement. God really wouldn't be supernatural anymore.
Though how one would prove this is the real trick, since it would likely take a level of complexity that we don't have because we can't see out of the program so to speak. Or out of the dimension. Which is the problem we have of time vs "real time"
