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RenderMonk said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

Before I say anything else: Thank you for this respectful response and for all the kind words.

On topic: I see you believe that everyone need to accept Jesus as their savior. But then let me ask you this: Why force people who are aware of him to do that now? Why not wait until after death, which is the only possible state where you are able to gain true, perfectly unbiased and untampered knowledge about who Jesus was, what he did, and what he wants? Now everyone live in very different conditions which tampers with their knowledge and their free will, which is why I say it is unfair to judge people based on how they lived their lives. I.e., had the same person been born in a different family living in a different country, chances could possibly have been greater for him to enter heaven. If chances really wouldn't change no matter where the person was born or whatever upbringing he had to endure though, that would make it a fair system: The person would be judged for the "true" free parts of his will, and religious practicing would not matter. Being a good person at heart would then be the only way of entering heaven.

For God to make a fair final judgement, all that is taught by outer influences and all actions and opinions that you have shaped based on them would need to be disregarded, as I see it.


Well that's part of why it's called faith. If God came and appeared before each one of us and said, "Here I stand, I am God, Love me!" Then it wouldn't be much of a choice would it. God's design, which I don't pretend to FULLY understand, as no one does, is meant to  allow each person the choice to love and follow him freely through faith that he is God. Every person who knows God, is charged by the Lord, to spread the word to those that don't know him. This is how those that don't know of him are to be reached, and in turn saved. Believe it or not, most of the Muslims know about God, and Jesus, they just choose not to believe it. That's not to say that there are still many many people that don't know God, but the time that we has humanity have had to reach people is more than enough. It's a matter of choosing to spread the word, and reach/save people. Many so-called Christans are lazy, and don't have that close relationship with the Lord that makes them want to share this good news.

I do understand your point about where you born and what situation you were born into. This goes back to what I was saying about how God never says our life as a believer is going to be an easy one. Is it fair, no. Do I presume to know why God's design is the way it is? No. Only God can answer those questions. But regardless of fair or not, if we are presented with his salvation, than that's enough. Are you invloved in a church somewhere? Where maybe you can get some wisdom from a pastor or someone maybe a little bit more educated in the ways of the Lord than say the masses of VGChartz :)


I do really hope that you take this situation and use it for God's glory. Maybe God allowed you to be in this situation for you to learn and grow. One day becoming a pastor yourself. Sharing how difficult it was for you as a child, growing up in your situation, and how God's love and YOUR FAITH helped you overcome the situation, to go on and lead others to Christ. Perspective, right? You may be on the path to somewhere unbelieveable incredible, and just haven't perceived it as that yet. Good Luck friend.


The bolded is the part that I don't understand. How can the eternal fate for the people who are unaware of God depend on the believers' willingness to spread the word of God? You even admit it yourself that it doesn't seem fair to you. Thus, it all falls back to the "God works in mysterious ways"-saying. And I don't buy that. Why require that we believe in something that doesn't appear to be fair to us? Why punish those who choose not to believe in a system that seems unfair?

The italics is just a rude assumption. Sure, we all have our difficult times throughout our lives, but I'm confident that my childhood was much easier than that of most children. Not to mention those born in a poor environment.

I was happy during my childhood, and I still am.