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pokoko said:
bananaking21 said:
so could somebody explain to me whats happening with final fantasy? wasnt final fantasy one HUGE and people used to LOVE it? im not a fan or anything but i only hear people complaining and criticizing when it comes to final fantasy now days. whats up with square and why is all this happening? could somebody explain it to me?

The general public is never satisfied with Final Fantasy.  It's a situation where people will complain no matter what.  I remember a few years ago when all everyone talked about was how stale JRPGs had become, how everything was the same.  Then XIII changed some of the old formulas, some of which I thought was for the better, but it was met with anger that they'd dared to try something different.  It's really kind of funny and sad at the same time.

I remember a huge, long list someone made about all the differences XIII had compared to traditional RPGs.  There was this massive out-pouring of rage, even though I thought a  lot of the new elements were positive things.

The only thing Square can do and not be greeted with mass whining is to rehash VII over and over. The series will always be judged by what it's not, at this point; "it doesn't have this, it doesn't have that, and, OMG, the weapons and armor can be bought at the SAME PLACE -cuts wrist-".  Most people won't judge the Final Fantasy games separately, they just want to compare and moan about how things are not exactly the same.

Don't get me wrong, FF XIII did some things wrong, but it was a good game.  Had it been published without the "Final Fantasy" part, you would never have heard most of the complaints and the reception would have been much more positive.  That's because only the people who wanted to play THIS particular game would have bought it, not the people who just want FF7 re-skinned.

What you said makes no sense, you say the general public is never satisfied with FF but yet you say that all the want is to rehash FF7? Well that means at some point that people were VERY satisfied. Matter of fact, 13 and maybe to a lesser extent 12 are the only real mainline polarizing FF games. People are still buying FF7, so maybe you got a point in the rehash, but isnt Lighting just a rehash of Cloud? No one was mad that they tried something different, at least not most. They were mad that it didnt reall work. And what did they try different? They didnt add anything, all they did was take stuff away, battle system was different, which I thought it was ok at the very least. But the game was really just a dungeon which we've seen for years. I think people would rather have familiar elements that work that play something that tries to be different but isnt nearly as fun as whay they've played before...works for Mario, COD, most other series.

I still dont see why this game shouldnt be judged by all the other FF games, that never made sense to me, do people no Judge Mario or Zelda based on the others, theres a thread going on like that right NOW for Zelda doing just that, for the sake of argument Ill agree with you, but you have to judge it by JRPG standards. IMHO I can throw a dart at a wall of PS1 JRPGs and ill probably hit a better game than FF13, Grandia was better than it, IMHO>.

I get you like the game, I didnt and thats cool, whats not cool is trying to dismiss people's greivances with simply saying "they just hating" Its not that much different than saying if you liked the game, "you must not be a true fan or just plain stupid" (not saying that BTW)  People are annoyed that 13-3 is being made because it is taking away resources from games that have been waiting to play, its that simple. We still dont have Versus, we dont know WTF is going on with localization with Type-0(that could be SOny's stupid fault), Ff14 remix or WE is still not in beta and they keep cramming KH portable games down our throats hoping we wont notice the absence of 3. I can see where people are coming from, personally I dont care. Stop caring about Versus awhile ago, never cared for MMOs so it doesnt matter how well they can turn 14 around, KH no longer makes sense so to hell with that. THe only thing that is grinding my gears is no Type-0 which sucks because that game is good, but that has nothing to do with whats going on with 13 so meh.