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[Marucha]

I really hate that chart LOL. I'm sorry, I can just imagine every snob in an internet court room throwing those words at each other "That's a XXX fallacy! What a conundrum!".. lafjsdlkfjasldkfjadsfa!!... So frustratingly obnoxious.

I like conversations that go places... I don't expect everyone else around me to be logic magicians, I just like easy-going... discussions. The internet is such serious business sometimes. If discussion halts every minute because someone goes Ace Attorney on each other's shit, it gets boring and repetitive really fast... except between those few people who care more about the argument.

Runa216 said:

happydolphin said:

Runa216 said:

oh, I accept that the god Myth may turn out to be true, but until I see a shred of evidence that is actually evidence and not philosopical musings, I'll continue to act like it's a myth.  Because until then, it is.  

Bet you didn't know I think Jesus was real, that 'the great flood' happened, and that a decent amount of biblical tales were initially based on reality.  Of course all of these events are prone to storytelling syndrome: making it sound far grander than it actually was, but I do believe much of the bible actually happened in some form or another, or that someone really thought it happened when the tales were written.  

For example, The great flood, as it's told, cold not possibly have happened.  Even if all the hydrogen and oxygen on our planet formed as much water as possible, it still wouldn't be possible to flood the mountains.  Maybe Noah's people are just unaware of real mountains, or maybe the story was exagerrated for effect, either way, it's possible it happened, not possible to have happened exactly as written.  See where I'm going with this? 

I'm not absolutely certain, but what I do know is that it paints a very different picture than what I previously knew of you.

If the bible shows signs of truth, what is it about christians then that you despise so much?

As for the ability to verify biblical claims, I also agree that the hand of god in history describes events that can be put into question scientifically. If that was your beef all along, then you have an ally in me.

But if your only purpose is to ridicule believers, know that we cannot be on a common path. If your quest is truth, and you are ready to honestly question the claims of the bible, or any other claim made, then so long as you stand in the confines of truth and logic, I will be by your side. Stray from that, and you will only find an enemy in me.

I told you man, I'm not irrational.  Just becuase you've only seen the endgame, sick of the zealots Runa doesn't mean I was always like that, or that there isn't more to my stance.  I've always believed that Jesus was real, and that the bible was at least partially historically accurate.  I just don't think for a second that automatically means everything in the bible is unadulterated truth.

I also don't think that all religious folks are bad, in fact I grew up with enough people of MANY faiths that I know better.  Religious people are just like every other religious and non religious person:  we're all just trying to do the best we can with what we've got, and we're ALL trying to make the world a better place (even if your moral stances are less than desirable to the masses.)  The only real difference is that SOME people are using religion as a way to make the world worse, to preach hatred and bigotry, to start wars, and to generally be asshats.  My 'goal' has never been to take people's hope away (though I do thoroughly and honestly believe that any faith is hogwash), but to take away that weapon used to preach intolerance and hate.  The reason I am so aggressively against it is becuase the world has this collective shit on the idea that religion needs to follow the same logic any other argument needs to take, and I take great offense to that, and you should too.  

So really, I just want to take this 'perfect' weapon away from those who would use it to spread ignorance, halt scientific progress, or preach hatred and bigotry.

Get where I'm coming from now? 

I like your approach to things. (Gosh, what is wrong with me posting in religious-y discussions again?) I'm guessing.. I'm a little confused by the underlined. I think I know what you meant, but I just thought I would ask if you could please clarify. :)

FYI, I'm not religious. I am spiritual, so for me, faith is an important part of the process. Not really of being a believer, but keeping an open mind... I try to approach things more scientifically as well. I question everything, I think that's very important too... I like self-honesty.