SamuelRSmith said:
You're right, it was a useless wish. Look, this may shock you, but I pain a lot more for these killings than you probably think. What hurts me also, however, is how the political class instantly jumped on this. Obama got on camera and cried, so attention was now on him... next thing, we've got all sorts of talk about how people should lose more of their freedoms. The political class never took a moment's pause when it came to advancing their agenda, it's too dangerous for us to pause when they're already drawing up the Bills. I would never talk to the NRA, precisely for the reason you just suggested |
For myself, the shooting was one state over, within 2 hours (probably 1 hour) of where I live now). It is close and ends up being major local news. It strikes home closer. And add it to the list of the joker shooting and other things. It was "Oh no, not again" to me, and wondering what is going on. There is a breakdown of something, and I am not seeing people have answers. As with others, I put the explanation somewhere, and come up probably as a traditionalist and can fault the lack of community here. People are doing much more radical individualism, minding their own business, and not catching people with problem, and acting like community. What I happened to hear in all this, from argubaly the Libertarian side, when discussing this, is that "well there is a price for liberty". The price I would have to ask is: Do you mean that we have childen in schools go get gunned down? I could see this being spun then as an argument for home schools, and so on, so you don't have them in one spot. Well, it is now that American socieity fails to maintain two family homes to make that possible. And things have gone into a level of specialization needed, that normally parents won't be able to do it. Something needs to be looked into here aand things need to get done. A core principle of the second amendment, is the citizens having a right to protect themselves. This principle has problems, when the means of citizens protecting themselves is turned against them, by what enables them to practive them. It is a serious problem. And I notice that around the same time, someone with a knife in China also went and assaulted over 20 children in China:
We can't just say "this is the price of freedom". And we can't also think under the delusion you can create a gated communities that are seen as safe. I see this Ft. Hood shooter sign floating about saying how guns are floating about. Well, a military base IS the ultimate gated community, and there is pretty strong gun control. I am sure they don't let guns get in, and this guy does it. I am going to go into a "think of one's freedoms a minute" here, and ask those who are saying "get rid of all guns" to think what happened at Ft. Hood. More gun control isn't going to work on this either. Outlawing firearms isn't either. You will run into concerns the founding fathers said, why the second amendment is there. I think SERIOUSLY people need to read it and see the context in which the founding fathers wrote it. It isn't, first and foremost, about a PERSONAL liberty to individually carry arms, but one where individuald collectively could come together and defend themselves from all enemies foreign and domestic (This would include the government with a particular focus on the government). It is about militias. FROM this right, one can argue that individuals also have rights. But it as about the basis of the need for "well run militias", and there aren't militias of one.
So, we have people with approaches and so on, that aren't seeming to work, and a society calling for government to drive their ability defend themselves off a cliff in response. You have people who think they can build gated communities away from others as an answer. And you have individuals who say "We just need to be tough on criminals to deter them". Well, what I see is the shooter guns down his mother, and then goes and shoots up the school, and then kills himself. If individuals who end up gunning down others end up gunning down themselves in the process and kill themselves, I am curious how the death penalty is supposed to work here, when individuals who kill, kill others. It is more of an acceptance of death as part of the needs of society. I would argue this reasoning will end up leading to more people getting shot down.
This is all troubling. Maybe people can stop and think about everyone is wrong here, and try to get something. Again, this gets back to my wish, which isn't like to happen. American society is set to go over a number of cliffs at this point. Some may think this is a good thing, as it culls the herds in their mind of losers. But it seems like "losers", on their way out, are more than willing to take out others.
Anyhow, that is about the extent I am going to speak now here on this. I am tired of polticizing of everything.
