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sc94597 on 21 December 2012
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mai said:
sc94597 said:
mai said:

sc94597 said:

  • deterring tyrannical government;
  • repelling invasion;
  • suppressing insurrection;
  • facilitating a natural right of self-defense;
  • participating in law enforcement;
  • enabling the people to organize a militia system.

Nah, most of these is just a load of bollocks, more guns won't even remotely help in half of these situations today. Typical constitutional mythos, though all (proper) nations have them, so I guess it's fair not to debate those points with the believers.

Which ones specifically?

I've marked the most bollockish (is there such a word?) ones. The rest is generally ok, but there're other means. The stronges of all is self-defence.


I was mostly interested in a reason WHY they're "bollocks." I can already see censorship in Western Europe, for example, and there's nobody opposing this because the people have no physical power to cement their vote. I think guns are probably the primary reason the U.S government does things carefully and slowly, instead of enacting quick policies. Again, repelling invasion can be very possible as the border problem becomes more and more out of control. Even if it's not a military invasion, it's still an invading group of peoples who unlawfully enter our country. And who knows, it might not be useful currently, but one can't predict the future and once you rid of a liberty it is almost impossible to return. It's our duty to maintain such rights for our posterity.