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mai said:

sc94597 said:

  • deterring tyrannical government;
  • repelling invasion;
  • suppressing insurrection;
  • facilitating a natural right of self-defense;
  • participating in law enforcement;
  • enabling the people to organize a militia system.

Nah, most of these is just a load of bollocks, more guns won't even remotely help in half of these situations today. Typical constitutional mythos, though all (proper) nations have them, so I guess it's fair not to debate those points with the believers.

 

Which ones specifically? The military has had polls on whether or not they'd disarm civlians if told to, and the overwhelming majority said no. It seems quite clear that the military is on the side of the armed peoples. So the government has no military power against the people of whom they derive their political power. That leaves corruption. It exists quite extensively in all levels of governments, and throughout history (even recently) lawful citizens have held such official accountable. This is in addition to sheriffs holding our federal official accountable in their counties, which a sheriff is the highest executive official within. 

Now invasions rarely happen, but if we had an extensive militia I'm sure we wouldn't have a border problem. It's just a failure of the people's duty to uphold the second ammendment that has not enabled this. 

 

Suppressing insurrection, we see this with riots during hurricane disasters. The unofficial militia groups help the official millitia (national guard) to maintain peace and lawful action.

 

The fifth one is quite clear in communities that can't afford police stations. 

 

The last one is becoming more and more popular as the U.S declines. We're seeing plenty of unofficial militias. Ideally, we'd have something akin to Switzerland, but more lenient. 

 

So they're certainly not  "a load of bollocks."