veiam said:
Kasz216 said:
veiam said:
Kasz216 said:
veiam said:
Kasz216 said:
veiam said:
Kasz216 said:
Isn't the status quo set by what most people believe? Most people believe there is some sort of god, though disagree which one is the case. Therefore you in fact would have to prove it as such.
There is also no proof that the existance of belief in a god didn't originate itself with consious thought. |
Status Quo - the existing state of affairs; specifically : the last actual and uncontested state of affairs that preceded a controversy and that is to be preserved by preliminary injunction In other words, the status quo was the time before religion was introduced. Number of believers doesn't mean anything. If I get everyone in the world to state that fire doesn't burn, would that make it the status quo and therefore true? Also, I was raised without the mention of anything relating to a god or religion (meaning there wa neither "god is great" nor "there is no god" in my house at all) until I was 8-ish. And then I remember my grandmother teaching me how to pray and my mom being pissy about it. I couldn't understand why my mother was so angry about it back then, but right now it makes perfect sense. In an environment where the person is not introduced to god he will simply not believe just because he has never been brainwashed into believing in something purely based on faith. |
Then where did the idea of God come from in the first place? |
I answered that in the following post. It has been spawned by the ignorance of humans when the brain is constructed to work with a cause and effect structure of learning. |
Yet you believe no one would believe in god if left on their own and no one was told of god. That's uh, quite contradictory to say the least. Since then not talking about god would not in fact create no god. But in fact every individual person would create their own god that makes the most sense to them to fill in the things they are ignorant about. In other words, you wouldn't be an atheist, you would believe in your own tailored god that best suits your ignorance. This god you would believe in whole heartidly as he would be the only one you would ever have heard of, and there would be no contradictions in your mind about how he does stuff. Based on your premise. Organized religion is needed or atleast talk of god is needed for people to not believe in god. In which case, organized religion should be quite a valuable thing to the atheist. |
If you had noticed I specifically stated that just about all everyday things we encounter can be easily explained in one way or another. Only by going really deep in a specific field of study does one reach a unexplainable phenomena. That area of science is Physics, and anyone bright enough to reach the unexplained phenomena would not think that there is a god causing them, instead he'd try to find whatever causes them. Hence if no one is preached about a god or religion people would just end up not being religious. |
Ok. Explain consiousness. (Note, you won't be able to. Psychology doesn't have any real answers on the matter.)
Also it's not just physics. There is no science that is properly fleshed out. Also, i just generally disagree with your premise. The more we learn of science, the more we learn that there is no real explainable beggining. Which means either infinite "real" time has passed before now or something happened that created everything. After all the Big Bang created the universe... but something created the Big Bang... etc. |
No, we can't fully grasp consciousness just yet, but we're getting there. I suggest you pick up the Scientific American that ran 2 or 3 months ago. Their cover story was exactly that, "What is consciousness?" you might find it interesting. Also as I said before, just because we cannot understand what happened at the big bang right now doesn't mean it was an act of god. As I said earlier, back in the good old days a friken bolt of lightning starting a fire was considered just as mysterious and just as big an act of god as the said beginning. That said, every time any religious person has set a starting point as "the beginning that god set off," it has usually been pushed back. We just so happen to be living in the time where this starting point is the Big Bang. As a final point, everything IS just physics. Physics directly leads to chemistry and how particles react to each other. From there we get electricity, heat, everything. The only thing that physics rests upon is actually math. So in technicality you can say that just about everything in existence can be described in terms of mathematical equations. Therefore any field that has not been compeetely fleshed out can be directly linked to the lack of knowledge in the physics area which leads to lack of knowledge in the chemistry area which leads to lack of knowledge to just about anything. |
Does it mean god created everything? Nah, however, you gotta ask. What created everything? Whatever did would be god. Does that mean it's some guy in a beard on a cloud? Maybe, maybe not.
Either that or everything has always existed. In which there is an infinite amount of time that existed before this point. Which is tricky. Since how could we get to this point otherwise.
These are the two possibilties that currently exist. When two possibilties exist... one must take one as what they believe to be true and try and disprove it. Something that is going to be hard to do. Since we can't even perceive "real time" to dissprove it.
So we'd have to disprove that something created everything, which to do. We would need to prove that stuff has existed forever... which once again would require "real time"
What happens when people reach the dead ends that man will never be able to comprhend. Just how a 2-D man can't understand 3-D there are a number of things that we won't be able to ever perceive. Like "true" time.
No amount of science or math will make such a thing possible.
As for math. The way we do math isn't even perfect. I mean
.9999~= 1
For some reason we need two ways to say 1 or we've screwed up math.
Pi. A very important number is apparently a giant number so massive we don't know the end of. It's an irrational number.
Furthmore we have many numbers and concepts in math that just don't really exist. Like Imaginary numbers. That are created because we need them do understand some sciences and other things. Despite the fact that these numbers don't really exist.
If math really does describe the entire universe and is a universal thing. I'd say were were doing math wrong.
Does it really explain the entire universe? Or is math just something we've invented to try and explain the univese. Much like words?
