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Michael-5 said:

Then GT5 must have been a joke to you because I've never lost a single race using the GTR in GT5, and only one race in the Corvette ZR1, but then I changed the Gear ratio, and just obliterated the competition. I even managed to lap 2nd place (so I lapped everyone) several times.

Yet I have trouble in Forza 4 with all assists off, I actually have yet to win a race with everything off (I just need ABS).

How far are you in Forza 4? All the races at the start are fairly easy, it's only after 7 or 8 years of season play that Forza 4 becomes a real challenge.

No. I have a lot of trouble to won in GT5 even some races with this Corvette... and the historical events made me tear my hair out... the Licenses too.

I have not moved forward that much in Forza 4 because I just play when my friend is not here in the weekends (so I play his 360)... and there was Geras 3, and the last weekends Halo 4 (I finished the main campaing last saturday).. so my interest in Forza 4 is really small even more when you have no challenge and get money is easy too.

Try to play the Seasonal Events in GT5 to see what is hard and there is penalities in Seasonal Events... if you hit then it's impossible to win the race.