senseinobaka said:
OK, now you are refering to Rev 20:13-15. First off, you are confirming exactly what I am saying. I'll run a comparison between what you are saying and what the bible is saying. 1)Rev 20:13 says that the sea, death, and hades gave up those who are dead. You are saying that only those who are faithful or saved are released from death. Where you went wrong. You ignored the many times the bible says the resurrection will be of both righteous and unrighteous AND you are putting words in the bible's mouth. Rev 20:13 puts no limit on who is being resurrected, you are. 2)Next Rev 20:13 says that those resurrected will be resurrected and judged according to there deeds. You say that they will be judged according to the deed commited in their sinful life. Where you went wrong. You again ignored scripture. This time romans that says that sins are forgiven upon death. Resurrected individuals will be resurrected to an Earth ruled by God's Kingdom and these individuals will no longer be shackled by sin. So for the first time they will have the ability to chose their lifestyle as free moral agents free from adamic sin. They will be judged according to there deeds when they are on this fair playing ground. Those who chose to rebel against God will be thrown into the lake of fire and experience second death, the one they will never be resurrected from.(Rev 20:14) [as a side note, I cant imagine someone that dumb, but the bible fortells MANY being that dumb]
As for your claim on creation. You focus on "breath of life" as being something only man has received. This is incorrect according to the bible. The word for "breath of life" is neshama. Neshama is used again in Genesis at Gen 7:22-23. This is during the flood, and it states "Everything in which the breath of the force of life[NESHEMA] was active in its nostrils, namely, all that were on the dry ground, died. Thus he wiped out every existing thing that was on the surface of the ground, from man to beast, to moving animal and to flying creature of the heavens, and they were wiped off the earth; and only Noah and those who were with him in the ark kept on surviving" So clearly animals also received the breath of life. Furthermore, being made in gods image doesnt mean we are spirit creatures. We can't even see spirit creatures. It refers to the major difference between animal and man. Like God, we have free will, and are wise, thinkers, and follow morals. We have the same emotions and qualities that god has, such as love. |
No, I'm not saying they won't be resurected (given a new body), I'm saying they won't all be going to heaven. I postulate there is a differnece. Also, you seem to mention that Christ's death enabled the resurection in the first place. Again, that would not help unbelievers, and hey would not be resurected for the judgement, unless you're saying that all receive it, whether they believe or not. Concernng the breath of life, I must ask whether in genesis the word Neshema is actually used, or whether you infered it. Now, on the image of God; free will is impossible on a strictly physical basis. You simply can't have it. Perhaps we could continue this by email. I'm finding it more and more difficult to follow up on everything and fully understand it.
Okami
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