Andir said:
Poeta said:
But I realize a lot of people here don't want to know anything. Just feel like arguing. For reals Imma stop posting here after this. ------------------------------------------------------------- "So, if you don't give God your love, then you shall be forced to live an eternity of suffering? How is this any different than a "need"? If he doesn't need you to love him, why would you be threatened with eternal damnnation for not doing as your told? Why does he need to strike fear into you to get what he "wants"?" Ok look at this way. God sets up rules, don't kill, don't steal, don't mistreat your parents. Now you say why should we listen to God when where good well moral people. We can make our own good choices. Jesus one time said "bless is the one who does not know me" In the bible Jesus says thier will be people who will never knew anything about God. So when they die they will be judge on thier actions instead of faith. Now you will go on living your life trying not to do bad things. But were all humans we all do bad things. You've probably done some bad things, for your incovenience, for fun, or because you can. But anyways in the end, is it really that bad to say "You know what I've done some bad things, I feel really bad for doing them" to God? to emptyspace for some. I don't know if you ever felt that feeling in the back of your brain telling you, youve done something wrong. In the end when we die. God judges you and says " Andir!! You have commited Adultery!!! You will go to hell for your sins". God judges me saying "Poeta you have commited murder!!!! But you have repented to me and ask for my forgiviness, actullay lamenting for what you did and your best not to do it againg.. You can proceed to heaven"!!!!! Its not just about giving love to God. hope you understood what I meant. |
On the contrary... I think a lot of people here want to know the truth. Going through life asking if you're doing the right thing is kind of counterproductive, no? Going through life ignoring the truth and accepting whatever you're told is easy. And you leave the conversation with your idea of what is right or wrong, ignoring the answer and just accepting God is akin to sticking your fingers in your ear and screaming "I'm not listening." I don't mean that offensively, but look at it from the perspective of everyone outside the "in" club. "If you cannot just accept it, you have failed and will never accept it." At least that's what you're telling me. Except in this discussion, you're telling me that I will forever be lost because I'm discussing the idea and not getting the answers or proof that is needed. And why can't I have that proof?
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Why does God need rules? If he put us on this Earth to live our lives, why does he need/want us to live by these specific rules? Why must people live by certain rules in order to please God and get accepted? To me, it sounds like a child setting house rules. Only I get to play with the red car. If you play with the red car, you have to leave and never come back. |
I don't know what is right or what is wrong, to us only God does. Andir most atheist don't belive in God because of incovinence. You say we get the "easy" way, since where following something where told. People who do abortion say its "Because we can't afford the baby" "he will be misserable". I don't thing that is the case I thing its because its an incovenience. Andir do you have any pets? Do you take care of them? Do you know anybody who has any pets? Now do you help the poor? donate monthly? weekly? to foundations? If you take care of pets but don't help the poor.(In the eyes of God your already doing wrong) See me I love animals.I can't stand watching a animal suffer. But God tells me I should help people first, then animals second.
"If you cannot just accept it, you have failed and will never accept it." At least that's what you're telling me."
Edit- No one can fail. If your really really really intesresting, give prayer a try, attend bible studies. Or just read the bible, give it a chance and figure why would God do such things. To me personally (Life is a test, Jesus wasn't here to help people, to help the good ones prevail, to end suffering, world hunger, pain. Jesus was here to save us)
"Except in this discussion, you're telling me that I will forever be lost because I'm discussing the idea and not getting the answers or proof that is needed. And why can't I have that proof?"
No one is lost everyone can be saved. But let me ask you aquestion.
We can agree God works on mysterious ways. So lets say one day people around you(your family) start praying for you, asking God to give you faith . So one day your driving and BAM! you just went through a terrible accident, and became paralyze from the neck down. But after the accident, your faith in God becomes strong. For the rest of your life your paralyzed but you belive in God with greath faith.
Now Andir is it unfair? That you had to go through a accident to belive in God (and have eternal life) Or is it fair? Since anyone can argue eternity=better than 80+years paralyze. Now thing about it, most people for thier inconvience will say its unfair and that God shoun't do that.
Paul(a person who murder christians, became a beliver after an accident causing him to lose his vision)
