dsgrue3 said:
timmah said:
dsgrue3 said:
timmah said:
A point on the origin of life, we have yet to, with our own *supposedly* high intelligence, create life from non-life in a laboratory environment, let alone anything that can reproduce and evolve. If we haven't figured out how to make that happen in a tightly controlled test environment under the best possible circumstances, with all of the amino acids necessary present by design, how is that supposed to have happened on its own in the harsh primordial environment of the early earth? We have caused single celled organisms to develop into multi-celled organisms, but we started out with life that already existed in all of these cases and purposefully made the change happen. Every single living thing that we observe can be traced to the living thing that comes before it, but there are absolutely zero examples of any observed living thing existing without a living precursor. The postulation that life came from non-life is simply not backed up by any current testable science, and therefore must be accepted on some level of faith. |
Life took billions of years to develop. Why would be able to speed up the process?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment
Describes how amino acids formed on Earth, more than necessary for life.
http://www.gizmag.com/bringing-life-to-inoganic-matter/19855/
Inorganic chemicals may be able to evolve and self-replicate.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16382-artificial-molecule-evolves-in-the-lab.html
RNA is self-replicating
Not sure what further confirmation you need.
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Throwing in a large amount of time does not automatically make something possible. You're saying it took Billions of years for life to get where it is now, I'm saying we can't even prove that living matter can come from non-living matter, even at the single cell level.
Sure, amino acids can form, we've confirmed that. That still doesn't bridge the gap from non-living matter to living matter. There is still no scientific proof of that at all.
Inorganic chemicals created purposefully by intelligence self-replicated. Ok, so can this happen without us 'making' and 'designing' those chemicals? This still does not prove that life can come from non-life without DESIGN, since those chemicals were specifically designed by intelligent beings (so you're kind of proving my point)
RNA is self-replicating, sure, but that goes back to my point that all life is self-replicating and there is always a precurser of other, pre-existing life. The RNA cannot self-replicate unless RNA already exists.
Not a single example above shows even a single living cell coming from non-living matter.
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No, I'm saying it took billions of years for the very first organic molecule to be considered "life" to form. Not humans. That took even more time.
Amino acids form WITHOUT design as has been PROVEN in the Miller-Urey experiment.
These such amino acids are the building blocks of life.
Amino acids bond with each other forming peptides, and peptides to polypeptides.
Peptides bond with Nucleic Acids to form RNA (Vital for replication).
There you have it. Life.
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No, there you have it, the BUILDING BLOCKS of life, not life in a living, reproducing form. These are very, very different things. Sounds nice on paper, but we've never seen these steps actually play out even in controlled lab environments with the end result of life. There's a massive jump from chemicals to a living, functioning cell. A single strand of RNA is not life and cannot become life without the chain being arranged in just the right way (and let's not get into just how complex the RNA in even the simplest cells is) and there must be a cell around it to support the functions of life. This is why cells divide to reproduce, because you need a cell to create another cell. Each part of a cell has to exist together at the same time and arranged in the right way for life to exist.
Individual stones are the building blocks of early buildings, but no stone structure has ever built itself. Rivers create stones and sand, sand, when combined with certain chemicals turns into mortar, stones + mortar are the building blocks of stone structures, there you have it STONE STRUCTURES! No humans needed
