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Poeta on 10 February 2008
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tombi123 said:
Poeta said:
tombi123 said:
All it would take for me to believe in God is concrete evidence. Seeing as there are plenty of you who are saying there is lots of evidence for God, can you please show me this evidence?

Thiers a verse when someone ask God how to prove him to others God said. "Tell them to Look outside, look at all, the animals, mountains, rivers, look at life and you will know that I made it"Now you must be thinking, "thats not proof". So to prove God we need to look at what God does everyday. Miracles, exorcisms, bleeding statues, healing are some but lets look at something else(Since I already posted miracles early on the post). Lets look why some muslims turn christians 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BeMc-E0wSuA    

 http://youtube.com/watch?v=-CExvHJxJnY&feature=user   

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0FFF-O1MlF4             

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JlnO9cfgCNM&feature=user                                                                        

Gulshan Esther - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulshan_Esther

 

Now you must be saying" Wtf christians turn muslims too". Yes but most muslims have visions, aparations and get healed by Jesus Christ. While christians that turn muslims just want to try something else in life(Since no one has had a vision of mohhamed, got healed by mohhamed, or heard mohhamed's voice)

 Now lets look at animals. How do they survive from predators, for food, and new enviroments!!!! well you must be saying "Its called evolution stupid! they addapt!!" Evolution does occur wolf to dogs. But what if some creatures needed everything they have to be alive otherwise they would be dead. Eh watch this video so you can understand what I mean.   http://youtube.com/watch?v=RofGpGwPfX8

 

I can't just point and say thiers God!! And I can't just say 1+1=2 so thats proff thiers a God. Most atheist(people who didn't believe in the super natural) I know turned christians because they had a religiuos experience. Go visit sacred places, sacred churche's, where miracles occur all the time.  Go to church, pray, have group gatherings                                                                   

Or

Go sleep in a haunted house, buy a demonic doll, go play guija in the cementary ask a priest to put a demon on you.

 


I haven't watched the first five links, but I watched the sixth.

I do not believe that that guy was ever a evolutionist lecturer. Because at the end he said that evolution was random and chance. Evolution is the complete, absolute, polar opposite of random and chance. ALL of the examples of 'creatures that defy evolution' can be easily explained by evolution. I am certainly not a biologist. I have no knowledge of biology above GCSE level, but even I could explain how some of those creatures evolved. 

I suggest you read a couple of books by Richard Dawkins, or just any book on evolution to get a better understanding of evolution. Then make up your mind on whether God designed us or if we evolved.

I would like to point out that the creationist in the video, when talking about the Human eye that must have been designed by God, said 'if you get a perfect Human eye, not one that is short sighted or long sighted, it can see for miles and miles, and really up close'. Notice that the vast majority of Human eyes are not perfect. This suggests to me that an omnipotent God has not designed them because they are not perfect. The imperfections in the eye are to be expected if the eye has been evolving over thousands of years, thus backing up and providing even more evidence for evolution.   

 

Everytime I post on a religion topic. I usually post it because people have curious questions about religion. And I post since it could help thier faith. I'm usually not the kind of person whos gonna tell you "YOUR GONNA GO TO HELL!!!" just a person who wants to help. But I realize a lot of people here don't want to know anything. Just feel like arguing. For reals Imma stop posting here after this

"believe that that guy was ever a evolutionist lecturer" well he is

"ALL of the examples of 'creatures that defy evolution' can be easily explained by evolution" Thats wierd... Didn't he say he made question to the evolutionist and the evolutionist did not have an answer to him. Like the woodpeckers tounge?

"I am certainly not a biologist. I have no knowledge of biology above GCSE level, but even I could explain how some of those creatures evolved." Hey thats not a bad idea. Maybe you should make your own documentary or get people to sponsor your video "I that defy creatures that defy evolution". You would put an end to this lying progapanda, to this creationist!!!  Since offcourse you got the answers to them."

"I suggest you read a couple of books by Richard Dawkins, or just any book on evolution to get a better understanding of evolution." Ok I'll do that, but next time give one in general, and what parts of the book that helped you understand evolution

 "Then make up your mind on whether God designed us or if we evolved." Eh once I read it. I'll let you know

"Notice that the vast majority of Human eyes are not perfect. This suggests to me that an omnipotent God has not designed them because they are not perfect. The imperfections in the eye are to be expected if the eye has been evolving over thousands of years, thus backing up and providing even more evidence for evolution. "

This is confusing. Just because the guy said our eyes are perfect (In a sence of how its form)(And compared probably to most animals, like our brain) it proves evolution because most people have poorsight, which you believe has been evolving over the years. (despite all the things today that cause people to wear glasses) . Now if someone is born blind, blindsighted or has any other kind of eye dieasses they disaprove God? If i poke my eye out i disaprove God? If I die, and my eyes turn to dust I'm dissaproving God?  Are our eyes supposed to live forever? Should we be having all kinds of dieasses on our body but not our eyes?

So yea.. if people where really interested in God (note not religion) they woun't be posting on furroms. Instead of posting, they would be researching on thier own. But I guess no one is interested.

 

And to andir

 

"So, if you don't give God your love, then you shall be forced to live an eternity of suffering?  How is this any different than a "need"?  If he doesn't need you to love him, why would you be threatened with eternal damnnation for not doing as your told?  Why does he need to strike fear into you to get what he "wants"?"

Ok look at this way. God sets up rules, don't kill, don't steal, don't mistreat your parents. Now you say why should we listen to God when where good well moral people. We can make our own good choices.

Jesus one time said "bless is the one who does not know me" In the bible Jesus says thier will be people who will never know anything about God. So when they die they will be judge on thier actions instead of faith. Now lets say you will go on living your life trying not to do bad things. But were all humans we all do bad things. You've probably done some bad things, for your incovenience, for fun, or because you can. But anyways in the end, is it really that bad to say "You know what I've done some bad things, I really lament what I did I will confess it to God" or to emptyspace for some. I don't know if you ever felt that feeling in the back of your brain telling you, youve done something wrong. But since humans for thier inconveninces don't go an extra step by confessing, going to church ect... start saying " Eh God understands he knows I lament what I did, I'm not a bad person"

In the end when we die. God will judge us and he is rightous, he is fair.

God judges you and says " Andir!! You have commited Adultery!!! You will go to hell for your sins".

God judges me saying "Poeta you have commited murder!!!! But you have repented to me and ask for my forgiviness, actullay lamenting for what you did and your best not to do it againg.. You can proceed to heaven"!!!!!

Its not just about giving love to God. hope you understood what I meant.