This is why I don't like debating religion

[GameOver22]

happydolphin said:

GameOver22 said:

The bolded is kind of tautological....is it not? I didn't catch his original definition though.

As for what constitutes reality.....I'm not going to disagree that there might be more to reality than we can observe, but we need to differentiate between physical reality and a "broader" reality when we discuss these things.

According to dsgrue, observation precludes existence. I challenged that definition with the evolution of sentient beings (sensors) ex-nihilo, from matter.

If that were true, since nothing exists prior to observation, then nothing existed prior to the sentient beings. Yet we know that sentient beings come from matter, which needed to exist prior to the inception of sentient beings, hence his definition failed the concepts of reality we're most familiar with.

Despite the effort and critical thinking, I was called a troll and I'm being pushed out of the thread. Gallileo anyone?

Oh...I see the problem with defining existence in that way.